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Perhaps because of a lack of communication within the FPM.
Anyway, instead of simply dismissing our comments as ridiculous and saying nothing else, why don't you explain why the FPM made the decision to break relations with us?
You have brought up some good points comrade. The main reason that I have rifts with the FPM is the class question, which the League correctly stated in the statement I posted. Im in the fight for class struggle and proletarian revolution and I believe that the FPM has blurred the class question.
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"Settle your quarrels, come together, understand the reality of our situation, understand that fascism is already here, that people are dying who could be saved, that generations more will live poor butchered half-lives if you fail to act. Do what must be done, discover your humanity and your love in revolution." - George Jackson
Yeah, it's pretty funny that someone who "As of late .. ha[s]n't been directly involved since [he has] moved and [is] still facing criminal charges.." wouldn't be aware that the FPM has stopped paying for the hosting of a website for an organization that no longer exists.
LOL!
It's almost as funny as this ridiculous article..
"Getting a job, finding a mate, having a place to live, finding a creative outlet. Life is a war of attrition. You have to stay active on all fronts. It's one thing after another. I've tried to control a chaotic universe. And it's a losing battle. But I can't let go. I've tried, but I can't." - Harvey Pekar
I was looking at the League website and I saw this picture;
Which of course made me feel warm and fuzzy inside, but it was also interesting because this is the ICC logo. Anyway...
"Communism, as fully developed naturalism, equals humanism, and as fully developed humanism equals naturalism; it is the genuine resolution of the conflict between man and nature and between man and man – the true resolution of the strife between existence and essence, between objectification and self-confirmation, between freedom and necessity, between the individual and the species. Communism is the riddle of history solved, and it knows itself to be this solution." - Karl Marx
Pale Blue Jadal
I assumed that a vote would have taken place regarding the split with the IWPA, and I'm also 95% sure that would have involved him. Am I wrong? Is he not on the ISC, or did a vote just not take place?
I think you missed Miles' post:
The funny thing is that the FPM broke with the League because you threw a temper tantrum because I called you out on your bullshit and you couldn't handle it. Why is such a political move caused by such a petty personal dispute (all on the side of the FPM might I add)? Why did the FPM split with the IWPA right after this dispute happened? It sounds like this split was based on your inability to handle a little criticism. It sounds like it was based entirely on some personalistic bullshit. That's what's funny.
Goes a long way in showing how the FPM operates. Apparently the FPM is worried more about personal issues than political ones.
Yeah, I agree. Im not sure what basis CdL has to say that this article is ridiculous. Im so fuckin tired of the immature Guevarismo stuff, romanticising the guerilla struggle instead on focusing on building a political base. I despised the way they have obscured class relations, correctly mentioned in this article.
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"Settle your quarrels, come together, understand the reality of our situation, understand that fascism is already here, that people are dying who could be saved, that generations more will live poor butchered half-lives if you fail to act. Do what must be done, discover your humanity and your love in revolution." - George Jackson
Careful, comrade. He might threaten to stab you in the throat again for saying this.
Miles
Snakes don't have throats.
oh for fuck sake
kiss and make up
this is just pathetic
yes you have your differences but your still on the fucking same side
not to mention i love you both
so that too is a reason to come together then
The left is split enough as it is
for fuck sake dont make it worse
Both the communist league and the FPM want to build a broad movement
dont fuck it up by *****ing at eachother for no clear reason
ο λαός θα πεί την τελευταία λέξη - αυτές οι νύχτες είναι του αλέξη!
Freedom without equality is privilege - Equality without freedom is a barracks
'Engels, my brother from another class,
we haz got to get fucked up on the grog, and then revolt...if the lessons of the Paris Commune has taught as such, the working class cannot lay hold of the ready made bourgeoisie alcohol, they must smash it, and get pissed on cheap methylated spirits.
holler,
marxy.'
- BCBM=AndreasBaader
What part of "As of late .. ha[s]n't been directly involved since [he has] moved and [is] still facing criminal charges.." don't you understand?
I think you and Miles missed reality. IWPA - FPM & FY = CL.
Except for not at all. To quote your organizations ridiculous article: "Can you say 'security risk?'"
Yeah I could see how it would sound like that ... if you were deaf.
Careful "comrade," if you keep bullshitting so much you may start to stink.
"Getting a job, finding a mate, having a place to live, finding a creative outlet. Life is a war of attrition. You have to stay active on all fronts. It's one thing after another. I've tried to control a chaotic universe. And it's a losing battle. But I can't let go. I've tried, but I can't." - Harvey Pekar
But yet, even as unable to answer as you are, you were able to draft a small book on the question.
Probably not, but that's never stopped them before... see, the Trotskyist League, for example.
It's true. All members of the FPM all around the world have pictures of me, Che and Fidel in their homes, which they offer fresh fruits too daily.
....
Not in the traditional "Leninist" sense, no. If you're really interested I could show you some literature that explains it.
I agree.
"Getting a job, finding a mate, having a place to live, finding a creative outlet. Life is a war of attrition. You have to stay active on all fronts. It's one thing after another. I've tried to control a chaotic universe. And it's a losing battle. But I can't let go. I've tried, but I can't." - Harvey Pekar
I know I do
Frankly, all this is over my head. But if the "true" reason for the Communist League's problem stems from the fact that the FPM doesn't restrict itself to interrogating each of its new members with "are you of the working class!!!?", then I would say get over it.
I would call anyone who has the destruction of capitalism as their ultimate goal a comrade, and to get hung up on someone's economic background unnecessarily alienates potential allies. That obviously isn't your dogma (hell, it might not be the FPM's line, its just how I look at things) is fair enough, but its a shame our organisations have to split, regardless of who "started it" <_<
Communists are better lovers - RSK
Education, education, education. Then revolution.
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'"Are you a theologian, sir?" asked the priest.
"I'm... in a similar profession," said the conman.'
If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal. - Emma Goldman
Meh, its just the boring antics of boring individuals. I doubt the under-classes are going to give a shit about the plethora of organizations the left has wasted their time building when they get about overthrowing this mess, preferring instead to organize autonomously.
If anything, the leftist organizations will get in the way.
'heavens above, how awful it is to live outside the law - one is always expecting what one rightly deserves.'
petronius, the satyricon
A touch off-topic, but did that happen in Oaxaca? Since that's the most recent masses-driven movement (that I can think of :P), it'd be interesting to see how Oaxaca worked in terms of the influence of leftist organisations.
Frankly BBBG, I think you may be right. I just think that conglomerate organisations working together, regardless of small (dare I say, sectarian) differences, towards a common goal would be better than a multitude of groups bickering about their differences instead of focusing on the bigger aim.
Communists are better lovers - RSK
Education, education, education. Then revolution.
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'"Are you a theologian, sir?" asked the priest.
"I'm... in a similar profession," said the conman.'
If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal. - Emma Goldman
What have they accomplished offline? There's no evidence the Communist League, for example, has any existence outside cyberspace.
Except for one election campaign for Detroit school board, by Whatshername Weltman. Who, incidentally, is a college professor, and whose campaign website said she was qualified for the office because of her experience with administering a budget. How purely proletarian.
But wait, she was the candidate of the Detroit Working People's Association, which is definitely not a front group for the Communist League, as both CdeL and Miles have vehemently insisted. Funny how breaking with the Communist League also involves breaking with the DWPA and IWPA, then.
And that's it for verifiable real-world activity. If you believe the DWPA is not a front group, then discount even that: there is no evidence the CL exists in the physical universe.
As for the FPM:
Considering how much time he spends on here, how much more could he be doing to lead a world-wide organization? Sure, I spend even more, but I don't claim to be the leader of a new revolutionary international.
With both "organizations" - especially the Communist League - their main form of political activity seems to be posting on this forum right here.
Which would explain why they seem to have split over things posted here......
BTW, who is Zampano? The Member Formerly Known as K. Communique and Before That Known as Lazar? If people are gonna constantly change their usernames, at least put something in your sig about it or something.....
I donno about the CL, but FPM sure is active, even though i reckon they're pretty small, its not like its an internet org.
http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/fpm/page.php?219
http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/fpm/page.php?201
http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/fpm/page.php?171
ο λαός θα πεί την τελευταία λέξη - αυτές οι νύχτες είναι του αλέξη!
Freedom without equality is privilege - Equality without freedom is a barracks
'Engels, my brother from another class,
we haz got to get fucked up on the grog, and then revolt...if the lessons of the Paris Commune has taught as such, the working class cannot lay hold of the ready made bourgeoisie alcohol, they must smash it, and get pissed on cheap methylated spirits.
holler,
marxy.'
- BCBM=AndreasBaader
Oh snap, thats my picture in the second link. I'm in red.
And let me add, the Che flag doesn't mean we have a cult personality. How many of you own a Che flag or Che shirt???
My point exactly.
*edit*
Here are other links too of things we have done as a small yet active organization.
http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/fpm/page.php?182
http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/fpm/page.php?82
http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/fpm/page.php?101
--Paz
[FONT=Arial]Party of World Revolution (PoWR) - Movement for Freedom, Justice and Equality
[/FONT][FONT=Arial]"We know that the true revolutionaries will always be in solidarity with Cuba; we know that no true revolutionary or communist on this continent, or among out people, will ever let themselves be induced to take positions that would make them go in hand with the imperialist maters against the Cuban revolution and against the Latin American revolution." Fidel Castro - On The Latin American Revolution (1967)[/FONT]
hehe cool ^^
but err maybe not a good idea to post it here?
me! me! me! (2 flags actually ^^)
ο λαός θα πεί την τελευταία λέξη - αυτές οι νύχτες είναι του αλέξη!
Freedom without equality is privilege - Equality without freedom is a barracks
'Engels, my brother from another class,
we haz got to get fucked up on the grog, and then revolt...if the lessons of the Paris Commune has taught as such, the working class cannot lay hold of the ready made bourgeoisie alcohol, they must smash it, and get pissed on cheap methylated spirits.
holler,
marxy.'
- BCBM=AndreasBaader
Doesn't matter if I post it here, I mean my picture has been everywhere, especially in almost every newspaper in the Hartford County and TV news stations in Connecticut when we had the FPM led walkouts at my school and when I got arrested.
I've been in more newspapers articles, front pages and TV appearances than CDL. Why should he hold title of 'cult figure' it should be me! :angry:
I shall overthrow him and rule the FPM. Muajaja
--Paz
[FONT=Arial]Party of World Revolution (PoWR) - Movement for Freedom, Justice and Equality
[/FONT][FONT=Arial]"We know that the true revolutionaries will always be in solidarity with Cuba; we know that no true revolutionary or communist on this continent, or among out people, will ever let themselves be induced to take positions that would make them go in hand with the imperialist maters against the Cuban revolution and against the Latin American revolution." Fidel Castro - On The Latin American Revolution (1967)[/FONT]
