What's your opinion on this famous Latin American figure? A woman who rose from poverty to marry a dictator, Juan Per髇, and rule a nation through radical populism; someone who still touches the hearts of Argentina's poor today.
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What's your opinion on this famous Latin American figure? A woman who rose from poverty to marry a dictator, Juan Per髇, and rule a nation through radical populism; someone who still touches the hearts of Argentina's poor today.
<span style=\'color:red\'>"You can probably change more hearts and minds with one good film than with thousands of e-mail pamphlets...." - John Cusack</span>
This thread has been discussed some time ago, but in brief, Eva was like Che but without his culture and intelligence. She shared the same feelings and she had the same guts, but she didn't even know she was progresist or socialist, she didn't have Che's bright mind nor his culture, she was rather ignorant. However, she devoted her life to help those in need and made a VERY important change in our (Argentinean) lives. Long live Evita!
(Actually, my political party's flag has both images: Che and Evita)
That flag sounds cool Larissa, do you have a picture of it you can post here? Also, I still don't understand why the movie "Evita" had Che in it. Just because he was from Argentina?
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Larissa, what's your opinion on Juan Per髇 and the current Peronist party?
(Edited by Borincano at 10:55 pm on Mar. 10, 2003)
<span style=\'color:red\'>"You can probably change more hearts and minds with one good film than with thousands of e-mail pamphlets...." - John Cusack</span>
The movie Evita is an adaption of the musical by Andrew Lloyd Webber and Tim Rice. Rice had listened to a radio program about her and became entranced with her life story and that she had died so young and thought the story of her background and her rise to power and charisma would make a good musical and so collaborated with his partner Webber; with Webber writing the music, Rice the lyrics. The musical opened on the West End in London in 1978 with the part of Che played by the British stage actor, David Essex and on Broadway in 1979 with Che played by the N. American, Mandy Patankin. Interesting enough, the soundtrack was recorded and released 2 years earlier. Yeah, the incorporation of Che in the musical was just to have a passive observer of Argentine nationality narrate events. A disjustice, really that they never really explained who Che was in his own right. The credit of bringing the musical to film mostly all goes to Madonna though, who much to my distaste for her, did a pretty good job portraying Evita, haha, and should have stopped at that point while she was ahead.
(Edited by Paris at 5:15 am on Mar. 11, 2003)
The party's name is Patria Libre and its web site is:
http://www.patrialibre.org.ar/
There you will find many pics.
http://www.patrialibre.org.ar/suplementin190.jpg
Borincano, the current Peronist Party (Justicialismo) is divided into several different sub-parties that do not share their views among themselves. In fact, Duahlde's faction strongly oppose to Menem's faction (the guy who sold the entire country to foreign corps.) *Argentina is a weird country, even the Communist Party is divided into two brances (the PCA - Partico Comunista Argentino) and the PCR (Partido Comunista Revolucionario), and there are *17 different leftsists parties that act independetly. Per髇 was not a lefty, he was right-wing nationalist who carried out a social policy favouring the oppressed and exploited ppl. The was a Military, he became popular when he was appointed Secretary of Labor (circa 1945). He gave the workers lots of rights and benefits, and another good thing he did was the nationalization of foreign companies, particularly oil companies. *But he was not a progresist or a revolutionary like Evita was. He was a very intelligent man but he didn't support the leftists. During his last mandate, in 1973-1974 (I was 11 years old) he opposed to the strong guerrilla groups, even when one of these groups arose from the same JP (Juventud Peronista), the "Montoneros". *Montoneros and ERP (Ej閞cito Revolucionario del Pueblo) - from Argentina, plus the guevarist guerrilla from Uruguay, the "Tupamaros", were struggling very hard and Per髇 always talked to them, trying to persuade these groups from the actions and operations they were carrying out.
Per髇 died in 1974 and his last wife, Isabelita, a jerk and a muppet of the terrible and horrible nazi guy, L髉ez Rega (el Brujo), got into power. L髉ez Rega created the AAA (Alianza Anticomunista Argentina) and the country turned into one of the most violent periods of our history. In march 1976, Isabelita was ousted by the Military Junta and the darkest and most repressive period of the Military Dictatorship began until 1983. (The dirty war). Sad, over 30,000 were "vanished" and torturted during those dark years.
IMO, Per髇 had THE chance to make a significant change, truning to the left, and he didn't. *Also, after WWII, he let some nazis hide in our country and he was a close friend of Franco (el general韘imo).
Evita tried to make a change but wasn't able to because she died at the age of 33.
Paris, you are right. Aslo, bear in mind that by the time Evita was at her best, Che was either studying at the School of Medicine, or cycling round Latin America with Alberto Granados.
I dont believe you are falling in that cultural propaganda BS larissa!!!
Evita was nothing but a poor girl from Argentina磗 rural interior that dreamed with fame and money...
she was a actriss and nothingbut a fascist pupet inher husbands hands...
she was the only way her husband could have the popular suport... and she was nothing morethan a pretty face at the service of el generalissimo...
i pitty her... but then again we wount never know the real Evita... its hard to know what a actriss really belives.. multipersonality is a acting skill.. and she knew it well...
Joao, you are right about one thing: in the beginning she did dream of becoming a famous movie star and being rich, but after she started working (she was a hard worker, actually) she truly realized what was really necessary to be done. She even sold most of her jewels and bought from Holland a lot of weapons that she planned to give to the people to start a revolution. This is something she wasn't able to achieve because of two reasons: Per髇 opposed to it and avoided giving the people the weapons, and she was very ill (cancer) and died shortly after.
Evita was right about giving the weapons to the people: finally, those weapons were used by the army to oust Per髇 once she died.
She did a lot of important things like giving women the right to vote. For us, women, there is a "before" and an "after" Eva in history.
No other person (man or woman) has ever dedicated his/her life so devotedly to work for a social change and a revolution in our country. And this is important considering she was an almost illiterate and ignorant person.
Check this site:
http://www.evitaperon.org/
From the same site:
"Who was Eva Peron? That's easy. The wife of the President of Argentina. Who was Evita? Santa Evita? Her confessor, Father Benitez, said she loved her clothes and jewels too much to be a saint (although when she was ill, she said, "If I get well and can return to help the poor all I'll need is a skirt and blouse").
Evita revolucionaria? After a failed revolt by the military in 1951, she bought weapons from Prince Bernard of the Netherlands to arm the CGT. She was certainly a revolutionary, but more in the way of the worker priests than the leftists of Argentina. "
http://www.evitaperon.org/Principal.htm
about the personal part of she being modest or not i could care less, those were her personal problems/virtudes..
for the revolutionary part i find it incredibly surprising and new since all i knew from her was that she was married with the "president" and it was she who helped to give more power to the dictator and give him popular suport...
i had no idea she armed the poor... if that is true (and not that i am questioning the credibility of your sources)then she really was "commie" and revolutionary...
all i knew was she was used as a political puppet to his husband.. and she even got the pope atention by her "simplicity and humbleness".... but then again such remarks came from a motehrfucker taht works (bether exploits the peoples feelings and fears) in a building with gold inthe ceiling, and uses togues worth millions is pure hypocrisy and bulshit and shouldnt be taken too serious....
nontheless she deserves my aplauses... she armed the poor...
Thanks for all the information, Larissa. Latin American history and politics never ceases to intrigue and amaze me, lol. By the way, when is the next Argentine elections and who do you think will win? (Who's running, anyway. Last time I read, Duhalde isn't running and Menem wants to make a come back.)
Also, what good books (Either in Spanish or English) about Eva Per髇 do you recommend?
<span style=\'color:red\'>"You can probably change more hearts and minds with one good film than with thousands of e-mail pamphlets...." - John Cusack</span>
Next elections re in April (next month) and hopefully Menem will not win. We expect Kirchner to win, he belongs to the "left" side of the peronism. He's the governor of the province of Santa Cruz (the southest province in Patagonia).
Evita's best bios are:
Santa Evita by Tom醩 Eloy Mart韓ez and Eva Per髇 - La biograf韆 by Alicia Dujovne Ortiz.
Search Amazon or www.tematika.com
Larissa, cual es tu partido politico?
no es "MI" partido sino el que apoyo :wink: Patria Libre
