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    Many of you may have already seen this, but I thought I'd post it anyway. It discusses the CIA's involvement with Che's death, the disagreement between Castro and Brezhnev over Che's involvement in Bolivia, among other things. Try not to punch the screen in outrage after reading through it.

    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB5/index.html
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    Thanks for the link Praxis1966.

    BTW, did you know that actually Fidel never wanted to become a USSR colony and was all for Che's plan to export revolution to every possible country? Of course, he had to be very carefull not to "offend" pappa Brezhnev and mantain diplomatic ties with the USSR.
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    Yeah, the letter Castro read which ultimately cinched the split between Che and Fidel was cooked up by the two prior to Che's departure into the Congo (correct me here if I'm wrong). It was designed to give Castro plausible deniability of knowledge of Che's activities both there and in Bolivia in the event the latter was captured. This was done to prevent the alienation of the Soviet Union (Castro probably saw an alliance with the USSR as essential for the reception of foriegn aid) and spurring the U.S. into another invasion attempt.
    O, why should wrath be mute, and fury dumb?
    I am no baby, I, that with base prayers
    I should repent the evils I have done:
    Ten thousand worse than ever yet I did
    Would I perform, if I might have my will;
    If one good deed in all my life I did,
    I do repent it from my very soul.

    Act V, Scene III; Titus Andronicus--W. Shakespeare
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    Quote: from praxis1966 on 2:41 pm on Feb. 19, 2003
    Yeah, the letter Castro read which ultimately cinched the split between Che and Fidel was cooked up by the two prior to Che's departure into the Congo (correct me here if I'm wrong). It was designed to give Castro plausible deniability of knowledge of Che's activities both there and in Bolivia in the event the latter was captured. This was done to prevent the alienation of the Soviet Union (Castro probably saw an alliance with the USSR as essential for the reception of foriegn aid) and spurring the U.S. into another invasion attempt.
    IMO, you are 100% right. I personally agree with what you say.
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    Castro proclaims that Che’s life-long struggle against imperialism and his ideals will be the inspiration for future generations of revolutionaries.

    I found this part the most true. Che is OUR inspiration!
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    What is really very touching is the fact that nowadays, in Cuba, at every school, children say every morning "We want to be like Che".

    This means SO much, far more than what they actually realize. :smile:
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    It's so goood, it has to be my new signature.

    I like Che much more than socialism.

    DOWN WITH AMERICA!
    DOWN WITH THE CIA!
    DOWN WITH BOLIVIA!
    DOWN WITH NATIONALIST MOTHER FUCKERS!
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    Quote: from Larissa on 6:05 pm on Feb. 19, 2003
    What is really very touching is the fact that nowadays, in Cuba, at every school, children say every morning "We want to be like Che".

    This means SO much, far more than what they actually realize. :smile:
    Kid 1: I wan't to be Che when i grow up!
    Kid 2: Well i want to be a robot
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    I assume kid#2 is a bushywashedbrained kid, right?
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    I found the whole description of Che's death rather eery. The whole discription of events was so cold and clinical...
    O, why should wrath be mute, and fury dumb?
    I am no baby, I, that with base prayers
    I should repent the evils I have done:
    Ten thousand worse than ever yet I did
    Would I perform, if I might have my will;
    If one good deed in all my life I did,
    I do repent it from my very soul.

    Act V, Scene III; Titus Andronicus--W. Shakespeare
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    That's the CIA for you. I hate what they did with his hands, amputating them so they could get the fingerprints for them. Why did they need to do it? And why hide the body and bury it in secret? The fact that they murdered him in cold blood sends shivers down my spine at what those murderous CIA bastards were capable of.
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    Chopping off the hands and stashing the body makes it look more like a Mafia hit than professional wetwork...Goes to show how indignant CIA operating standards used to be...
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    Why do you think I politely asked everyone not to punch their screens in anger when I initially posted the link?

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    The CIA
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    O, why should wrath be mute, and fury dumb?
    I am no baby, I, that with base prayers
    I should repent the evils I have done:
    Ten thousand worse than ever yet I did
    Would I perform, if I might have my will;
    If one good deed in all my life I did,
    I do repent it from my very soul.

    Act V, Scene III; Titus Andronicus--W. Shakespeare
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    doent ya just hate the CIA?
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    Ow, Yeah.

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    I found that site a while back and printed it all off to show my History teacher who thinks the CIA are great geniuses! His opinion has changed now! Now he see's the manipulative brutes for what they really are
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    That's odd, Socialismo. Usually history teachers have a tendency to be conservative, close-minded pricks. It's good to see that some aren't afraid to admit when they're wrong.

    Hmmm... Maybe you and your teacher have something of a Frierist pedagogy going there...
    O, why should wrath be mute, and fury dumb?
    I am no baby, I, that with base prayers
    I should repent the evils I have done:
    Ten thousand worse than ever yet I did
    Would I perform, if I might have my will;
    If one good deed in all my life I did,
    I do repent it from my very soul.

    Act V, Scene III; Titus Andronicus--W. Shakespeare
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    What's a "Frierist pedagogy"? A good thing, I hope?
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    Quote: from Larissa on 6:05 pm on Feb. 19, 2003
    What is really very touching is the fact that nowadays, in Cuba, at every school, children say every morning "We want to be like Che".

    yes and we must note that although it is one thing to want to be like Che it is another to have the obedience to study hard so that we may know exactly what it was that Che as a visionary inspired as victory.

    the things i read, and what he sed, goes down deep into my ocean, and it is there i find myself lost yet at the same time experiencing such a rapture of the consciousness, i then want to become violent like the waves and toss the ship of mankind...around...and around...then eventually to safer ground.
    ...its lets ROCK!

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