Do you mean the Paris Commmune?
If so: They should have taken the banks and vital industrial centers, rather than what the actually did...
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Do you still consider that the french revolution was the first manifestation of communism?
Cause I still do even if it degenerated into a weird sort of totalitarism
the ideals remain intact and actual
and still worth fighting for
Che Guevara Forever!
Do you mean the Paris Commmune?
If so: They should have taken the banks and vital industrial centers, rather than what the actually did...
"An oppressed class which does not strive to learn to use arms, to acquire arms, only deserves to be treated like slaves. We cannot, unless we have become bourgeois pacifists or opportunists, forget that we are living in a class society from which there is no way out, nor can there be, save through the class struggle. In every class society, whether based on slavery, serfdom, or, as at present, wage-labor, the oppressor class is always armed."
VI Lenin
No, TXsocialist, I think ravengod is talking about 1789 and all that.
Or possibly 1830? 1848? The French are pretty good at revolution...even their failures are spectacular--May 1968, for example.
Anyway, ravengod, assuming it is the "great" revolution of 1789 you are referring to, no, it was not communist. If you stretched a point, you might find a few folks who could legitimately be called "proto-communists" who were involved.
But I don't think any of the "big names" in the French Revolution could be considered communists in any sense. Marxists have traditionally considered this revolution to be a capitalist one...aimed at overthrowing the nobility, the feudal aristocracy, and the religious hierarchy.
It didn't succeed right away, of course, but as a first try it was certainly something. The French capitalist class "formally" took power in 1871 with the founding of the 3rd Republic.
Listen to the worm of doubt for it speaks truth.
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yes i was referring to 1789
protocommunism might be a good term
and the french inclination towards revolution is an interesting subject
why are they so rebellious anyway?
Che Guevara Forever!
You know, when Mao was asked about the impacts of the French Revolution, he replied something like: "I think it is too soon yet to talk about its outcome".
Actually, the French Revolution is one of the earliest exploited people's manifestations against the upper classes.
I hope I can find Mao's original quote somewhere on the web.
I've found it!
"Remember what Chairman Mao said about the French Revolution, 200 years after the event; that it was too early to say whether it was a success or a failure."
Quoted at: http://www.dundeeeastlabour.atfreeweb.com/...ech01032001.htm
For the FIRST TIME EVER i see RS2000 posting somthing true and well argued.
The French revolution was indeed capitalist, the revolutiuonary's were the bourgeoisie who Marx later created/stole a system to destroy.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
- Hanlon's Razor
I don't think you could find a competant individual on this planet that could argue otherwise...
the first rev. was a bourgeois one
"An oppressed class which does not strive to learn to use arms, to acquire arms, only deserves to be treated like slaves. We cannot, unless we have become bourgeois pacifists or opportunists, forget that we are living in a class society from which there is no way out, nor can there be, save through the class struggle. In every class society, whether based on slavery, serfdom, or, as at present, wage-labor, the oppressor class is always armed."
VI Lenin
Now come on, AK47, one out of 917 ain't so bad! :cheesy:
Listen to the worm of doubt for it speaks truth.
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LOL!!!
You know your postings are always good my friend!!!
The French revolution of 1789 had certainly some socialistic charistics.
[list][*]First constitution, meaning that even rulers have rules to follow.[*]Honest lawsuits. Not guilty, untill proofen so.[*]Everyone is equal.
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These were major steps in human history, as long as there wasn't an mighty person involved into something, it usually turned out pretty good.
For the little man it meant hugh differences compared with the past.
Their life was now more worth than their strengt to produce agriculture products.
Let the French revolution of 1789 be a lesson for us, when we succeed to accomplish an succesfull revolution, we have to keep in mind that we don't act against our values, against what we fought for.
The French fought for their freedom, only to see it taken away by Napoleon.
Napoleon meant a lot of good for French and large parts of Europe, but unfortunatly he often got carried away by his might.
(Edited by CCCP at 7:38 pm on Feb. 14, 2003)
Let no one charge that socialists have arrayed class against class in this struggle. That has been done long since in the evolution of capitalist society. One class is small and rich and the other large and poor....One consists of capitalists and the other of workers. These two classes are at war. Every day of peace is at the expense of labor. There can be no peace and good will between these two essentially antagonistic economic classes. - Debs
Was the French Revolution of 1789 the one with Robespierre? I remember learning about him in European History class. I also read that Che was a big fan of him.
CheViveToday
Yes, Robespierre--known as "the incorruptable"--was probably the most "left" figure in the French Revolution of 1789.
He ruthlessly hunted down and executed every aristocrat and lackey of the old regime he could find...killing perhaps 4,000 of them. Thus, conservative historians then and now have a rather "low" opinion of him.
I have read that he dissolved many of the neighborhood committees and political clubs that supported him...on the curious grounds that the Parisian masses "might get out of hand." If true, this both demonstrates the limits of the French Revolution of 1789 as well as being an enormous personal blunder; when Robespierre was arrested by more conservative members of the Committee for Public Safety, there were no mass organizations to come to his defense and save him from execution.
Another saying from 1789: "Those who make the revolution half-way have signed their own death warrants."
Listen to the worm of doubt for it speaks truth.
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Interesting. Thank you very much for the info!
CheViveToday
Sounds like an interesting, if zealotous, fellow.
Direct action is key- don't just sit at your computer and rant at leftists you disagree with slightly- get out there and DO IT. Organize. Change your life, and change the lives of those around you. The reason the waterheads are still in power is because we aren't being loud enough.
Ofcourse it wasn't a communist revolution, the one of 1789!!!
Churchill rulez!!!
yeah i think its the first tim communism was jused on the right way .in the 19th ct in paris for a few weeks there was really communism
continue the dream and finish it!
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