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i just wonder where did the english dump his head? is it under the london bridge or under the obelisk of st. peters square in vatican?
"Ultimately, all true revolutionaries are motivated by LOVE"
Who cares, he was a patriotic racist
"Of course! Who does not want peace? But the question is: how do we get it? How is a genuine and lasting peace to be achieved? The only way to get peace is by dealing with the real problems facing the people in their everyday lives."
Bolsh,
you haven't a clue and have just insulted every Scot alive, William Wallace fought against imperialism and won Scotland its freedom from the English... you need to wise up, or fuck off
I\'ll wear no convict\'s uniform, nor meekly serve my time, that Britain might brand Ireland\'s fight, eight hundred years of crime....Remember the Hunger Strikers
I havent insulted myself. You ignore the class situation of this period. English workers suffered under the bourgeoise too.
And I meant rapist not racist sorry
"Of course! Who does not want peace? But the question is: how do we get it? How is a genuine and lasting peace to be achieved? The only way to get peace is by dealing with the real problems facing the people in their everyday lives."
Well then, you are a sell out and you've forgotten your roots.
Tell me how should you fight an aggressive imperialistic country, whether or not they were tyrannical in their own country?
God Bless Bobby Sands MP
I\'ll wear no convict\'s uniform, nor meekly serve my time, that Britain might brand Ireland\'s fight, eight hundred years of crime....Remember the Hunger Strikers
GOD BLESS??
What are you, a bible basher?!
And your IRA lot are nothing but sectarian terrorists!
In the words of Willie Gallagher 'my only roots are in the working class'
I am not sell out because I remain dedicated to the working class and always will.
Wallace never took a class position it was all national.
And BTW you should only be posting on the opposing ideologies forum, terrorists are not welcome here.
(Edited by bolshevik1917 at 3:54 pm on Feb. 4, 2003)
"Of course! Who does not want peace? But the question is: how do we get it? How is a genuine and lasting peace to be achieved? The only way to get peace is by dealing with the real problems facing the people in their everyday lives."
musolini tried the same for italy...just because your fighting against a larger power doesnt mean your fighting for a good thing.
stop asking the opressor for freedom, eliminate the opressor and take your freedom
What's that quote about "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter".....I'm sure Che was tarred with the same brush, by collaborators of the state.
Please read the quote, below, from Che..and have a think
I\'ll wear no convict\'s uniform, nor meekly serve my time, that Britain might brand Ireland\'s fight, eight hundred years of crime....Remember the Hunger Strikers
Well change fucking signature then!!!
<span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\'><u>St. Patrick's Breastplate</u></span>
I arise today
Through the strength of Heaven;
Light of sun,
Radiance of moon,
Splendor of fire,
Speed of lightning,
Swiftness of wind,
Depth of Sea,
Stability of earth,
Firmness of Rock.
I arise today
Through God's strength to pilot me,
God's might to uphold me,
God's wisdom to guide me,
God's eye to look before me,
God's ear to hear me,
God's word to speak for me,
God's hand to guard me.
So I guess that makes him an enemy of the working class. Oh, but wait, ideas of class distinction and equal rights did not exist back then, and Marx wouldn't be born for another 600 years. But regardless of that fact, he should have quoted the Communist Manifesto on a regular basis, this would have made him a true revolutionary. Don't you get it? You are foolish for judging him by standards which did not exist in his time. And if democratic theories did exist, there would be absolutely no knowledge of them in the isolated hills of the feudal British Isles. Relative to his time period, he was a great reformer and leader, even though he was fighting for an independent Scottish feudal system.
It reminds me of religious zealots who claim that all non-believers in their particular faith are banished to hell by god. Well what about the people who existed before your religion was invented? Or the people who are seperated by time, condition, or geography from the "one true faith"? I guess they are just victims of circumstance, but then again, maybe they will enjoy hell. :cheesy:
(Edited by KickMcCann at 6:03 am on Feb. 5, 2003)
<span style=\'color:red\'>Remember, if you duck and cover, you'll be incinerated in a crappy pose</span> -The Anarchist Prince
The man was a rapist, he wanted to rule over Scotland. Ignore patriotic drivel like the 'Braveheart' film - the guy was technicaly 'fighting imperialism' but only with his own imperialism.
I am not judging Wallace on his level of Marxism (as we have established Marxism was not in existance) but I refuse to support someone who was technicaly the leader of a bourgeoise clique in the Scottish highlands because
1. I am Scottish and so was he
or
2. He was fighting 'English imperialism'
Wallace ond co mean nothing to me, Scotland cannot be free untill it is part of a world socialist set up. Patriotic demands like 'the right to self determination' offer us nothing.
"Of course! Who does not want peace? But the question is: how do we get it? How is a genuine and lasting peace to be achieved? The only way to get peace is by dealing with the real problems facing the people in their everyday lives."
one who fights on the basis of national pride is not a friend of mine. if our friend will cared he would have made attempts to free people like the welsh from british rule as well, but he did not. notice how che...an argentinian went to fight in cuba, and then africa and so on. next youll be calling george washington a hero...
stop asking the opressor for freedom, eliminate the opressor and take your freedom
CIRA and co, MEL GIBSON is full of Bull Shit. All i know of William Wallace was that he systamatically killed the majority of York and all the Lands between there and Scotland. Yes he faught for freedom but he also faught for power.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
- Hanlon's Razor
AK47, I've given up posting to your sad replies, William Walllace fought imperialism to a stand still, something Che tried to do. Although I am NOT comparing him to Che in a political sense.
you can't pass fleeting moral statements on a bloke who lived centuries ago.
On the second note about the Irish Republican Army, fighting for the struggle of freedom, equality and justice in Ireland, well that's been discussed hammer and tong, all I'll say is that you don't get people starving themselves to death, for what they believe, in any drug racketeering I've heard of.
Life in the 'RA is not some free trip to Amsterdam, at best you'll get Long Kesh at worst you'll be assassinated by either British forces or state sponsored death squads. So just for once, lets pay homage to these brave and heroic men.
I\'ll wear no convict\'s uniform, nor meekly serve my time, that Britain might brand Ireland\'s fight, eight hundred years of crime....Remember the Hunger Strikers
Ultra-leftism sometimes confuses people like Bolshevik1917...
People like Wallace...or Spartacus...they cannot have been expected to have a "working class" revolution. There was NO working class...So which working class are you talking about being oppressed in England there Bolshevik???
These people were progressive for thier time frame...at their stage of evolution of society.
The Comrade from Albania
The Scots of that time were backward peasants, it was progressive for the English to invade and set up slavery followed by feudalism and capitalism, which were all neccessary stages in raising the productive forces.
Wallace was productive only in his incentive to rule Scotland and rape woman. The man was a tit.
"Of course! Who does not want peace? But the question is: how do we get it? How is a genuine and lasting peace to be achieved? The only way to get peace is by dealing with the real problems facing the people in their everyday lives."
Man's dearest possession is life, and since it is given to him to live but once.He must so live that dying he can say, all my life and all my strength have been given to the greatest cause in the world, the liberation of mankind
Ostrovski
Muriel Spark:
If I had my life to live over again I should form the habit of nightly composing myself to thoughts of death. I would practice, as it were, the remembrance of death. There is no other practice which so intensifies life. Death, when it approaches, ought not to take one by surprise. It should be part of the full expectancy of life. Without an ever-present sense of death life is insipid. You might as well live on the whites of eggs.
"it was progressive of the English to invade" you are a very sad disillusioned young man. Good luck
I\'ll wear no convict\'s uniform, nor meekly serve my time, that Britain might brand Ireland\'s fight, eight hundred years of crime....Remember the Hunger Strikers
Funny you're saying you actually studied the real william wallace and that you're not taking anything from the movie.But you forget that the scots never got to York but in braveheart they took the city.Read my friend READ.
Muere lentamente quien no viaja,
quien no lee,
quien no escucha música,
quien no halla encanto en sà mismo.
Muere lentamente
quien destruye su amor propio;
quien no se deja ayudar.
G B :biggrin:
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