East Asian Revolutions

[sabre]

hey kids.

can someone provide me with some websites with overviews of the chinese revolution and the history of the DPRK??? thanks a ton

[Saint-Just]

For the DPRK:

http://www.korea-dpr.com/history.htm

The Korean revolution is a short affair compared to that of the Chinese. With the Chinese revolution, the crux of it is The Long March.

I can't imagine what you mean to imply by 'stalinist despots'.

[Iepilei]

sorry, but any nation that worships some "Great Leader" to the amount that they do is a scary sight indeed.

Lenin had a personality cult - but nothing as severe.

[lostsoul]

But the North Korean Goverment blocking most outside media and inside the country focus on promoting their leader as a god-like figure, i believe that basically are spitting on everything a true communist stands for.

Freedom and a better life for their people should be their goal, not trying to cling to power.

But this is only if what i read/hear about north Korea is correct, i have to research to confirm.

[sabre]

thanks for the link mao

[Saint-Just]

'the moron they call chair leader was apointed by his own father... not very socialist and democratic this monarquic red family hum?'

He was voted into the leadership by the Central Committee after the death of his father. The relationship of Kim Jong Il and his father is nothing to do with it. Kim Il Sung has more than one child. Kim Jong Il gained the trust of the korean people with his adoption of the ideological standpoint of his father Kim Il Sung and his tireless struggle against revision, dogmatism and the imperialist forces outside of Korea.

'Freedom and a better life for their people should be their goal, not trying to cling to power'

The primary concern of the leader is the living standards of the workers. Thier power is consolidated by the will of the people and have no need to make any actions to 'cling' to power in their country.

Everything heard about the DPRK in bourgeois democracy can be considered a flagrant lie unless substantiated by the Korean people themselves. The U.S. would like nothing better than have you believe that the DPRK is an evil state intent on nothing except power and oppression and starvation of its people. In reality any problem of the DPRK is a result of the archaic international policies of the U.S. towards the DPRK which for 50 years have been profoundly harming its economy.

[TXsocialist]

Nevertheless, the DPRK is a horrible fascisto-stalinist dictatorship that spits on the communist ideology...

I'm pretty sure even Lenin would disonw that shithole

[Saint-Just]

'Kim Jong wants to start a bloody nuclear war all over again'

The WPK and Kim Jong Il are dedicated to peace. There is no evidence they want to start a nuclear war. They have certainly not voiced any intentions of doing such.
In addition can you refer to the previous nuclear war you are referring to.


'are the severe hunger taht the country side suffers thinking in his people?'

He's certainly thinking of his people; unfortunately the U.S. is not. The hunger is a result of sanctions which deny them the capabilities of sufficient energy production. The U.S. imposes such sanctions and then gives them food aid that is scarcely enough to feed a tiny minority of their population.

I am not familiar with the term 'mass self idolatration' - I think you mean mass idolisation of himself. As you respectibly term it, this idolatration, is an idolisation of Kim Jong Il as a symbol for Juche and as an ideological vanguard for the state. To qoute him on the subject:

'The driving force of revolution is an integral whole of the leader, the party and the masses. Only under the guidance of the party and the leader can the masses of the people hold their position as the driving force of revolution and play their role satisfactorily. In the driving force of revolution, the leader is the top brain and the center of unity, and the party is a political organization which materializes the leader's idea and guidance. Apart from the leader's idea and guidance, the party as a political leadership body is inconceivable; separated from the masses, the party cannot lead the revolution and construction to victory. Unbreakable unity of the leader, the party and the masses centering around the leader constitutes the solidest and most powerful revolutionary force as well as a great motive force of the revolution and construction. Therefore, the working-class party must be built up into the leader's party, the political organization which realizes the leader's idea and guidance, and must achieve inseparable unity with the masses. This is a basic requirement for the existence and development of the working-class party and a fundamental principle that must be constantly maintained and carried forward in party building.'


'are the constant human rights violations thinking in the people?'

I do not know what you are referring to.


'unless now a fascist state, with a hammer and syckle on the top is considered socialist...'

Kim Jong Il knows very well that just because their state is constructed under the banned of the hammer, sickle and brush it is a socialist state. In this statement he demonstrates his view that even a change in the socio-economic position of an individual does not make them a socialist. As such I am sure he does not believe that one who carries the hammer and sickle as their flag is automatically a socialist:

'Man's ideology depends on his socio-economic position and the conditions of material life. However, it does not change of its own accord with the change of his socio-economic position and the material conditions of social life. The remnants of outdated ideology are very conservative and tenacious. Ideological remolding is a complex and protracted task. It can be successful only through a vigorous struggle.'


You seem to make the notion that Kim Jong Il has no idea of democracy:

'Democracy means formulating the party's line and policy by incorporating the will of the party members and giving full play to their voluntary enthusiasm and creativity in the struggle to implement them. '


Lastly, on the accusation that he has no interest in the Korean people:

'Our party exists for the people and regards it as its duty to fight to meet the people's desire for independence and their interests. Taking loving care of the people, serving them and forming a harmonious whole with them -- these are the intrinsic nature and basic characteristics of the party of Comrade Kim Il Sung.'

[lostsoul]

Chairman Mao, although i agree North Korea is very misunderstood, i don't think when proving your point about how good a leader is, to actually quote him. I mean i could quote Bush and make him seem like a saint.

[MJM]

I don't want to support the north because I do have problems with the son of the leader taking power, just like W bush and daddy bush.
Korea's source of food has historically been the south of the peninsula, the USA knew this when the invaded during the civil war and sent the communist forces north. This is very important and is a large reason why they always seem to have famines. The land and climate just isn't as good as down south. This was never a problem when the country was united, now however the food isn't shared amongst the people, it's all in the south.
Korea has been torn apart by imperialist forces for hundreds of years.
China, Japan and now USA.

[Saint-Just]

I agree with you MJM. The north of the peninsula is highly mountanious while the flat land is very low-lying and therefore susceptible to flooding whilst ountanious land is impossible to cultivate. They attempt to cultivate in the mountains however it is extremely difficult to produce food in any large quantity.

Kim Jong Il was a leading member of the WPK for years, he came into power 3 years after the death of his father, voted in to power by the party because of his development of Juche and leadership characteristic he had been exhibiting for years. Kim Il Sung has a number of children.

The north and south just want the U.S. to cease thier imperialistic occupation of the south of the peninsula, they have no reason being there.

[lostsoul]

Quote: from Chairman Mao on 7:23 pm on Jan. 30, 2003
The north and south just want the U.S. to cease thier imperialistic occupation of the south of the peninsula, they have no reason being there.

Do you think it will ever happen? if so, do u think it'll happen peacefully?

Sorry, i have one more question about Korea, why does America have intrest in that region? It can't be to protect south Korea, because from what i read north and south are working out their differences.

thanks in advance

[Saint-Just]

Good questions Lostsoul-

Foremost, the U.S. interest in the region is one of security, it does not view the Korean peninsula or Asia safe in the presence of the DPRK's communist regime. You are correct, the North and South are working at relationships, they attempted to build rail and road links for industrial areas last year, however, the U.S. scuppered the plan. The U.S. have not allowed South Korea to help the DPRK technologically either, a few years ago they denied the South in setting up a mobile phone network in the North. They do this as part of the sanctions TWEA scheme to 'contain' the DPRK, or rather try to force the economy of the North to implode and bring an end to the, much hated by the Americans, communist regime.

There are many groups supporting unification in the South and many groups protesting against the illegitimate American occupation. Recently two schoolgirls were killed in the South by American GI's. Such incidents have drawn much support for the withdrawal of the American occupation. Korean politics has leaders who act like puppets to the American regime, and it also has leaders which are determined to bring about unification. Changes in leadership in the South could bring the peninsula closer to unification, however the U.S. will not withdraw even if the south demands it. And the south is virtually controlled by the U.S., economically and politically. And thus I do not think it will end peacefully.

If America dares wage war on the North there will surely be an attempt to rid the imperialist forces once and for all and thus unification. The North wil not use force to remove the imperialist forces unless provoked. The U.S. is unlikely to provoke them, however recently the Bush administration has undertaken to resolve Korean problem. I do not believe it will attempt to do so however.

I think it will take a major impetus for it to happen soon though. If the U.S. provokes the North into war it will happen. Otherwise it looks like the U.S. will be there for as long as the communist regime is present in the North. One thing is for sure, the U.S. are extremely unlikely to withdraw their forces voluntarily. At the moment the socialists in the North are strong and the U.S. have seen that they cannot destroy them with economic sanctions and so I would not think it unlikely that the U.S. tries to find another way to resolve the situation. However, as I have said I find the prospect of war unlikely since the Korean People's Army is a highly formidable force. It has over 1,250,000 soldiers and has substantial numbers of technological weapons such as long and short range ICBMs and a large air force and numerous tank divisions.
Kim Jong Il has resolved to end the imperialist occupation, however he will not remove the imperialist forces pre-emptively. If provoked he say that the Koreans will welcome the chance to rid Korea of the illegitimate occupation.

Tony Blair has said that after Iraq the Korean situation will be resolved, a prelude to some sinister movements in the peninsula?

I do not think the imperialist occupation will end peacefully. The U.S. will not withdraw. I think it will remain at a stalemate for a long time.

(Edited by Chairman Mao at 5:52 pm on Jan. 31, 2003)


(Edited by Chairman Mao at 5:54 pm on Jan. 31, 2003)