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    In 1968 when the Soviets invaded Czechoslovakia, the Czechs decided against using military action to clear them out. Do you think this was a good or bad choice. Should the Czechs have used their military? It turned into civilian warfare, but was it a failure or success?
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    Well, the Czechs had the Hungarian example in living memory; violent resistance would have certainly been crushed...with great loss of life and much damage to the country.

    It's a part of a larger question, really. SHOULD people violently resist oppression and exploitation even when defeat and death is CERTAIN?

    I don't think anyone can answer that question for anyone else. If you find yourself in that situation, ONLY THEN will you find out what YOU will do.

    I wouldn't even dream of advising others on that one!

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    I am Czech, yes I do beleive that peace was our only option, i mean the biggest world power or at least one of them, coming into ur country, of course we couldnt win in a war, but then again u never know it couldve been a soviet Vietnam, but it wouldve caust too much for our small country, altho there was some small violent resistance, such as my uncle was in the Czech Partisani, and took a Russian too a back ally and shot him, altho im not 100%clear on the exact story, yes advising in that situation would be very hard, but look, the Czechs did gain their independence!! without blood, and have a flourishing government one of the more progressive East European countries, what do all of u think about it??

    o ya my mom and her dad left the country and my uncle behind, when my grandpa smelled the trouble brewing, and they left 1 month before the russian invasion, we moved back there in 80 something where i was born in 88, but still what would ur family do in the situation?
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    This is a sticky issue. Yes, the lessons of Hungary probably weighed heavy in their collective memory...but how much did they know? Yeah, sure, Budapest was surrounded by an iron ring of Soviet Tanks and the workers' resistance utterly smahsed, but did the Czechs know that the Soviet tank crews weren't told where they were headed? According to Andy Anderson's 'Hungary 1956', some of Soviet troops thought they were in East Germany fighting a western invasion! As I understand it, some Soviet troops also turned their weapons and tanks over to the insurgent workers...to combat those dangers, Soviet officers explicitly barred contact between Soviet soldiers and Hungarian workers..

    What I'm getting at is this: While the Czechs can't be faulted for what they did, there chances of victory probably weren't that bad, IF Soviet units were to defect to their side...
    "Working class parties put up as their goal the conquest of political power, thereby to govern in the interest of the workers, and especially to abolish capitalism. They assert themselves as the advance guard of the working class, its most clear-sighted part, capable of leading the uninstructed majority of the class, acting in its name as its representative. They pretend to be able to liberate the workers from exploitation. An exploited class, however, cannot be liberated by simply voting and bringing into power a group of new governors. A political party cannot bring freedom, but, when it wins, only new forms of domination. Freedom can be won by the working masses only through their own organised action..." - Anton Pannekoek
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    that could be tru, a possible soviet treason couldve saved them, but it still wouldve been a horrible battle, and the resistance would be crushed, no doubt Moscow would send reinforcements, it is a sticky issue, and they couldve had a shot, what little chance of victory, but still a fair shot, a simple alteration in history couldve helped the Hungarians keep their independence rather than lose it, and a conflict there couldve kept eyes of Czechoslovakia, thats the only thing thats interesting in history.... what couldve happened.. ...
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    What DID happen is also pretty interesting.

    Y'know, what do you think of the prospects of non-violent resistance? General strikes, massive civil disobediance, workplace sabotage, etc?
    "Working class parties put up as their goal the conquest of political power, thereby to govern in the interest of the workers, and especially to abolish capitalism. They assert themselves as the advance guard of the working class, its most clear-sighted part, capable of leading the uninstructed majority of the class, acting in its name as its representative. They pretend to be able to liberate the workers from exploitation. An exploited class, however, cannot be liberated by simply voting and bringing into power a group of new governors. A political party cannot bring freedom, but, when it wins, only new forms of domination. Freedom can be won by the working masses only through their own organised action..." - Anton Pannekoek
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    Thank you for all your feedback. I personally feel that the Czechs made the right decision when they chose not to use military defense. It probably wouldn't have worked very well anyways, given that by the time president Svoboda met with the Presidium 4,600 Soviet tanks already occupied Czechoslovakia. Extracting the military could have ruined a beautiful country. Though the civilians did a nice job at making the soviets feel quite unwelcome. My father and his family left the Czechoslovakia in 1968 and only go back to visit on occasion.
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    Bah... 'socialism with a human face' or should we say... 'tastes great less filling' or how about 'Obey Your Thirst'

    Alexander Dubcek wanted 'Labour Union Socialism' or... controlled capitalism..... He is an enemy to the ideology and was more interested in destroying socialism than advancing it.... Prague spring was excessive and imperialistic militarianism but what else would you expect from Brezhnev?

    Dubcek is a prime example of why purging the party is a necessity.
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    [quote]Quote: from VI Koba on 11:35 am on Jan. 27, 2003

    Prague spring was excessive and imperialistic militarianism but what else would you expect from Brezhnev?
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    im sure it was kruschev. but it doesnt matter who it was- it was just soviet imperialism. you cant blame dubcek for attempting to loosen the grip a little and i dont know how you can say thats a good reason for purging a party. a party should never be purged from A) foreign parties (as in this) or B) within (as in stalin). only the people should decide. it always comes down to autocracy, as it did in 68.
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