North Korea

[Invader Zim]

Personaly i recon the americans are the biggest criminals, and are very hypocritical of other nations for having nukes. Since the US is the only ever nation to use them. Why should they have them and north Korea not. Well thats my personal belief.

But we must consider the american point of view as well is suppose. They believe N Korea is not the most trust worthy of nations and can they be trusted not to start a war which will kill us all?

[chamo]

Well you are right in that there is no reason for which America should accuse other countries of threatening the world with their nuclear weapons, and developing nuclear weapons for their own use while the US poses a threat with their own.
Of course the U$ would not consider the "axis of evil" that is North Korea to be trustworthy, seeing as how it is Stalinist. But DPRK have no reason to go to war. America however, have plenty of reasons to go to war. Oil, money, anit-communism, anti-revolution etcetera, etcetera.

America is the only real country to be feared. A idiot behind the button of the worlds largest nuclear arms storage and so many reasons to push it.

[ComradeJunichi]

The US was actually the first to break the '94 Treaty, by not fully opening up to the DPRK. Then the Bush administration just closed the curtains. DPRK then broke the seal on it's nuclear facilities. The US dropped an embargo, and DPRK says "Excuse us, but fuck you". Funny that!

This is a way to force the US into diplomacy and talks with the DPRK.

Why would the DPRK start a war, and how would it kill us all?

>>Now my eyes are starting to sting :P<<

[RGacky3]

although using logic and justice the U$A has no right to do anything to the PRNK, or restrict their creationg of weapons becouse the U$A has thousands if not millions of nukes. But I personally would like to see PRNK fall, becouse the stalinistic state is a discrace to communism, and is a total faliure. We need to support stronger socialistic states that work with out oppresssion and starvation!

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from ComradeJunichi on 1:05 am on Jan. 8, 2003

Why would the DPRK start a war, and how would it kill us all?

Im not saying they will im just quoting the argument of oneo f the most corrupt governments in the world.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

DPRK musn't give it's nukes away. It's their last defence, as an island trapped by captalist country's, it's vunerable.

I doubt if China would help N Korea in case of war of crises. China follows the captalist/dictatur line and don't think that they would risk to loose their current position on the world economy.

(Edited by CCCP at 9:11 pm on Jan. 9, 2003)

[ComradeJunichi]

Quote: from AK47 on 8:39 pm on Jan. 9, 2003

Quote: from ComradeJunichi on 1:05 am on Jan. 8, 2003

Why would the DPRK start a war, and how would it kill us all?

Im not saying they will im just quoting the argument of oneo f the most corrupt governments in the world.

Shit, I misread. When I read that it was late at night..err early in the morning.

I email one of the DPRK's delegates once in a while. We've been in touch for a few months. He's mentioned the failure of the US to keep up with it's 94 Treaty. Also mentioned the lack of energy in DPRK after the stopping of oil shipment and such. They were forced to reopen it's nuclear facilities to provide the people through the cold winter.

Don't know if it's true, but that's what one of the delegates of North Korea told me.

[eyesclosed]

guys lets get realistic when we say that the united states has millions of nukes........who here trusts the north korean govt..............you think south korea does.........china is definately not getting involved, they're to busy trying to get to the moon,lol........and if NK were to do anything how would they be able to do anything to the US, couldnt happen.......impossible

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

If they had nukes, they could.

[eyesclosed]

even if north korea had nukes(i believe they already do) they still couldnt even get one to touch down on us soil..........

[Doshka]

HAHA eyezclosed..north korea doesnt need nukes to hit america.all it need is a pilot! im surprised at you..living in the U$...need reminding of this...amd if america is so sure and garenteed of its safety then why is the government bothering with north korea? because it cares about the world in general? because it like to help people??(extreme sarcasm...)

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Quote: from eyesclosed on 4:17 am on Jan. 12, 2003
even if north korea had nukes(i believe they already do) they still couldnt even get one to touch down on us soil..........

Whats the fuss then all about?

This great fighters of "freedom and democracy", supported and trained Bin Laden, offered an oil contract with the Taliban (under Bill Clinton), supported Saddam and......

[Saint-Just]

The DPRK may or may not have nukes, it has been suggested that they have, and suggested more recently that they haven't. One thing is for sure, they have the capabilities and resources to make nuclear weapons. They have several reactors that can refine plutonium to be used in nuclear weapons, I can list the details if anyone wants.

In terms of missiles they certainly can reach the U.S.
The missile with the longest range is the the Taepo Dong-2 ICBM, it has a maximum range of 6,200 miles. The US DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) estimates that the missile has a range of about 4,650 miles with large nuclear warheads and 6,200 miles with smaller warheads. At the extreme of 6,200 mil es, the missile could reach all major West Coast cities (Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego,,,) and reach as far east as Chicago.

The DPRK are not going to such weapons (if they have them) unless provoked, that is my belief anyhow.

[ComradeJunichi]

It's been told that the DPRK has at least 2-3 working nukes.

I'm not sure if they have weapons able to hit the US...I keep hearing different stories.

[Invader Zim]

Any one has the ability to hit the USA , it just not being hit back is the problem. Which is the whole point of this thread

[Saint-Just]

I thought the point of this thread was criticising the anachronistic policy of the U.S. towards the DPRK. Its palpable that the DPRK could not avoid being hit by retaliation from the U.S. in a nuclear conflict. No country in the world as of yet is fully capable of protecting itself from nuclear attack. However, there are many scenarios that could arise from a U.S.- DPRK conflict and it is to this that the existence of nuclear weapons in the DPRK is pertinent.

There are different stories as really it is not known what they have. The 2-3 nukes you refer to are fission bombs, their existence has supposedly been confirmed by the Americans. However Atomic bombs such as these have a relatively small destructive capacity. What is unknown, and indeed more important, is whether the DPRK has thermonuclear bombs. They have the plutonium... as you can geuss the DPRK is likely to keep very secretive. Even if they don't have them they may claim they do for tactical reasons.

The existence of the Taepo Dong-2 ICBM has been confirmed by the Americans. It was sighted by satellite at the DPRK's Sanum-dong research and developement facility. From its proportions it was deducted that the range was at least 2,200 miles. It is thought that it could be up to 6,200 miles. You are correct ComradeJunichi that there is no certainty that thier weapons can hit the U.S. there is a high possibility though.