Christianity's forgotten rule

[Ian]

"Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonours his head. And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonours her head - it is just as though her head were shaved. If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or shaved off, she should cover her head. A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head" (I Corinthians 11:3-10).
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And they say Islam is oppressive? Christianity has the same rule!

[new democracy]

i also read that the islam give women much more rights than hinduism.

[Ian]

That's probably true

[new democracy]

Quote: from new democracy on 11:47 pm on Dec. 9, 2002
i also read that the islam give women much more rights than hinduism.

here is the source: http://www.geocities.com/~abdulwahid/hindu...l#hindu%20women .

[Ian]

That site you provided was very informative about the caste system ND. I feel sorry for the untoucahbles, but maybe communism would educate these people and encourage them to revolt.

[redstar2000]

The "bible" is full of embarassing quotes like that; the defenders of the faith will sometimes argue that such quotes are not "authentic"--they were inserted at a later date when christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire.

But, as far as we can tell, Yeshua ben Yosif (jesus) was a Jewish reformer who shared MOST of the views of Yahveh-worshippers of his era. HE did not pick even ONE woman to be "His" disciple...the Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church are being quite true to "His" principles. :cheesy:

[mentalbunny]

You have to remember that in his letters Paul was using an interim ehtic, he thought Jesus was going to return to the Earth in his life-time but obviously he didn't.

What we have here is our modern culture being told to follow the rules of a culture that is pretty much dead and has been for centuries. This is not to say that all of the Bible is rubbish, just you have to adapt it to our society and circumstances. Much of the Bible teaches good things, it's pretty socialist. Obviously there are bits that are totally off the wall, like most of the Old testament, all that fire and brimstone, but some of Jesus' teachings and parables are things that should be followed by the people of today, things like The Good Samaritan and being humble rather than shouting aobut how good you are (The Pharisee and the tax-collector).

So Jesus' discibles were all male? He was living in a very male-orientated society and he had to make people take him seriously. By no means did he shun women, look at Mary Magdalene.

What we have here is a hermaneutical (spelling?) gap, we have to learn to interpret.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

In Islam the woman has a even high position as the man ,but the fundamentalists ignore that part of the rules of islam. In Hinduism the woman is insuperieur to man.

When in Europe ppl just invented farming, there was in the muslim country's "houses of knowlegde" were "enlighted" ppl worked. Like writers, scientits ,mathematicians andso. And many of them were women. The whole day they were working in beautifel surroundings with fountains, flower parcs etc. to develop more knowledge.

[Ian]

apparentely in hewbrew culture and law only a wife can go and inspect a tomb, this means that Mary Magdalene was his wife.

[IRANeAZAD5]

fuck religion

[redstar2000]

Impossible as it is to improve on either the brevity or the accuracy of comrade IRANeAZADS's summary, it is nevertheless a fun topic that I can seldom resist.

I think the "Bible" and all "Holy Books" ARE rubbish...and taking refuge in hermeneutics is not going to help matters. "Hermeneutics" after all is just a way of saying interpretation--and how can you "interpret" a bunch of superstitious injunctions into anything resembling civilized behavior?

I'm aware that there are those who try, desparately, to ferret out "the good parts" of the "Bible"...but what can their motivations possibly be? Aren't such efforts really the pathetic attempt to retain a kind of cultural respectability for that which, in fact, is deplorable? To me, it's like trying to ferret out "the good parts" of Mein Kampf...there may be some, but so what?

The track record of religion is pretty obvious; trying to polish its image has all the utility of make-up on a stinking corpse.

[Ian]

Redstar2000, your humour is so bitterly cruel, some could say morbid, but it's great, religion is passé!

Hope you have fun finding the good parts in mein kampf just dont get brainwashed

[redstar2000]

Thanks, Ian. Actually, I'm probably the only member of che-lives that has actually READ Mein Kampf (the 1941 Knopf edition). It fully lived DOWN to its reputation...and is very badly written to boot.

[canikickit]

Hey! Guess what? It also says in the bible that some "guy" is "up there" and "created" this planet:

"and God said, let there be light"(!).

[IRANeAZAD5]

In Islam the woman has a even high position as the man ,but the fundamentalists ignore that part of the rules of islam. In Hinduism the woman is insuperieur to man.

When in Europe ppl just invented farming, there was in the muslim country's "houses of knowlegde" were "enlighted" ppl worked. Like writers, scientits ,mathematicians andso. And many of them were women. The whole day they were working in beautifel surroundings with fountains, flower parcs etc. to develop more knowledge. """"

CCCP dont even start to play that dirty game

[truthaddict11]

Quote: from Ian Rocks on 2:11 am on Dec. 10, 2002
That site you provided was very informative about the caste system ND. I feel sorry for the untoucahbles, but maybe communism would educate these people and encourage them to revolt.

i thought the caste system was outlawed

[Santa Clara]

Just thought I would mention, in the original post women are being told to cover their heads, in the bible. Well, in Islam, women don't actually have to cover their heads, and whilst on the topic; maybe you guys have already read this book, but if you want to read an eye opening book about Muslim women, read 'Nine Parts of Desire: The Hidden World of Islamic Women' by Geraldine Brooks. My english teacher did her Phd on Muslim women and she gave it to me. If you want to read a book which gives you amazing insight into these women you should read it, it's worth your time.

[Ian]

"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty......And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms...."(Quran 24:30,31).

"O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their bodies (when abroad) so that they should be known and not molested" (Quran 33:59).

So It doesnt say cover your heads like the christian verses, it even says display what ordinarily appears. It just says dress modestly and cover your breasts, easy... except its been distorted

[Wenty]

sin and culture, society nay everything was seen in a completely different light during biblical times. Its absurd to discredit it on modern day, western ethics.