Thread: The people in Russia during the Lenin/stalin period

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  1. 5th November 2002, 22:29 #1
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    For the subject History we have debate where everybody has to pick an opinion about the the revolution/Lenin/Stalin and defend it.Since everyone has something like 'Stalin sucks' I wanted to do something diferent,so I came up with this (I am not a Stalinist though):
    "The people lived a better life during the Lenin/Stalin period than before the revolution (under the Tzar) or after the CCCP (capitalisme)."
    I need some help with coming up with valid arguments to defend my opinion,since all we learn at school (so the school books are useless) is how communisme sucks (and yes,for the teachers stalinisme=communisme).
    I already got some usefull information,but I still need more.I noticed that many of you know alot about this subject,so I posted it here.
    Thank you in advance for any help.
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  2. 6th November 2002, 00:21 #2
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    If I was you I would message one of the stalinists on this site, somebody like Mazdak may direct you to a good site.
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    I believe that from 1947 to 1959 or so, living standards for the average Russsian were better than that of the average American.

    I could be wrong.
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    I also believe that America had a greater national debt than did Russia.

    Again, I could be wrong.

    You might want to look into that though.
  5. 6th November 2002, 12:20 #5
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    me and redstar already did your homework here: http://politics.host.sk/discussion/index.p...ct=ST&f=9&t=233 .
  6. 6th November 2002, 14:33 #6
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    Tell your teacher and the class that bourgeois democracy is nothing, but a fiction. Unlike all capitalist states, USSR had reached the highest democratical level.
    Capitalist democracy is not the rule of the whole people, like bourgeois analytics try to present it. It is the rule of the narrow capitalistic circle presented by the minority of the population of whatever capitalist state.
    In contrary, the rule of the working class, peasantry and the class of intelligentsia was apparent in the Soviet Union, as the class of the exploiters was destroyed by the Great October Revolution and the Civil War, which started as the result of the socialist revolution.
    USSR respected the interests of all of it's citizens and protected the state from internal and external danger.
    People of the soviet state were free from the exploitation and therefore were equal.
    USSR didn't have uneployment.
    USSR had free education. ( state universities)
    USSR had free medical service.
    USSR helped all of the oppressed countries economically.
    USSR suppported the progressive leftist movement in the foreign countries.

    Tuxie, you should tell this to all of the students of your group and try to present it in the way, which would be easy for them to understand.

  7. 6th November 2002, 17:27 #7
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    Revolution Hero,thank you for the info,I will try to keep it simple,but not too simple because otherwise the teacher will complain that its not good (and the teachers already hate everyone who is left,including me).

    new democracy,it's not exactly homework,but I know that you helped me,I just wanted some more info (which I got from Revolution Hero).
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  8. 6th November 2002, 18:26 #8
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    I am glad that the information I have posted helped you. Try to get more people on our side!

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    I suppose that you could mention as a sort of closer that in most former USSR nations, the communist parties are either the majority, or one of the biggest, parties in the Government.
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  10. 6th November 2002, 22:09 #10
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    Quote: from CiaranB on 4:53 am on Nov. 7, 2002
    I suppose that you could mention as a sort of closer that in most former USSR nations, the communist parties are either the majority, or one of the biggest, parties in the Government.
    The best example is the Russian Federation.(KPRF)
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    i would say that the best example is the communist party of moldova. in 2,001 they won in the presidential elections.
  12. 7th November 2002, 21:26 #12
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    You are right ND.Communists rule Moldova now. But russian communist movement is also strong. One day KPRF will stand at the head of the whole Russian state.
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