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    well I just finished reading his biography by Edvard Radvinsky, he wasn't biased I felt, he supported portrait of the Boss in a well backed up way, with my journal entries of those close to Stalin, as well those far away from him. He even seemed at the end to be in defense of J. he never declared how many men, women and children were perished as a direst result of his hand, so I keep hearing this and this about Stalin, I would just like to hear from other points of view.

    Persoanlly, I came from reading his bio with the thought that he was a cold, and calculating man who tortured his own brothers and sisters to complete the Great Dream, and the creation of Russia as he saw fit, as well there were many turns in his rise where he acted in complete hipocrisy, no doubtedly to rise to the top.

    Well what do you have to say on the man?
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    Quite why you had to start another thread on Stalin I don't know.'

    Anyway my opinion (put simply) is that he was one of the greatest human beings in history. He fought throughout his entire life for justice, equality, freedom and democracy. From the beggining he preached workers rights to the people of Georgia, saved the Bolsheviks from financial collapse, played a key role in the Revolution and Civil War, he led a people who turned a third world fuedal society into a superpower (a note is that U$ economists in the mid 1950's genuinly feared that the average living standard of a Soviet citizen may take over a American) and ofcourse fought against Fascism.
    'What is 11 million dollars compared to the love of 11 million Cubans' Felix Savon

    ''That morning, my father took my hand and we went out. I saw how upset all the Algerians looked and how the French were rejoicing. I asked my father what had happened. He gravely replied: 'Stalin is dead...' I asked who Stalin was. My father said: 'He was the greatest man of our time. He was the leader of the Soviet Union, the greatest revolutionary country. Stalin was the son of a cobbler.' And I thought the son of a cobbler, someone like me...' Algerian Revolutionary in fight against French Imperialism.

    The World Revolution is ongoing history. Even if you win the war, which I don’t think you will, the World Revolution will not and cannot be stooped by military means, Your very powerful army can do much harm to us, can kill many of our people - but it cannot kill ideas! Its movement might seem dormant to you at the moment, but it s there and will come to the fore again out of the awakening of the poor, the downtrodden orginary people the world over in Africa, the Americas, in Asia and Europe too. People in their masses will one day understand that it is the power of capital over them which not only oppresses and robs them, but stifles their human potential, which either uses or discards them as mere pawns to make monetary profit out of the,. Once the people grasp that idea, it will mature into an almost material force in popular uprisings like spreading wildfires and will do what has to be done in the name of humanity. It will not be Russia who will do it for them, although the Russian working people were the first who have borken the chains. The people of the will do it for themselves in their own countries, against their own oppressors, in their own ways and in their own time!’

    A 'Stalinist Beuracrate' to his Fascist Guards in Nazi Camp.

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    Must i explain my opinions of Stalin. He turned a backwards Asiatic state into a world superpower in less than 20 years. He beat the invinsible Nazi Army. All this with a rather small loss of life.

    I do not agree with killing for the sake of killing, and he rarely if ever did this.

    He also became one of the most powerful leader in the world. Just think, An illiterate Georgian peasant managed to take control when his rival was the great orator and far more well off Trotsky.
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    Sure he turned the USSR around and made it a power, but nothing can justify the killing of innocent people.
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    .... Thats the point. Not many innocent people were killed. Remember, the soviets were starting from scratch, while the west had years of slave labor and sweatshops to build up its strength. The Russian people did the work themselves. He lost only a few people, for how many he saved.
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    How To Be a Good Dictator


    When Josef Stalin was on his deathbed he called in two likely successors, to test which one of the two had a better knack for ruling the country.

    He ordered two birds to be brought in and presented one bird to each of the two candidates.

    The first one grabbed the bird, but was so afraid that the bird could free himself from his grip and fly away that he squeezed his hand very hard, and when he opened his palm, the bird was dead.

    Seeing the disapproving look on Stalin's face and being afraid to repeat his rival's mistake, the second candidate loosened his grip so much that the bird freed himself and flew away.

    Stalin looked at both of them scornfully. "Bring me a bird!" he ordered.

    They did.

    Stalin took the bird by its legs and slowly, one by one, he plucked all the feathers from the bird's little body.

    Then he opened his palm. The bird was laying there naked, shivering, helpless.

    Stalin looked at him, smiled gently and said, "You see... and he is even thankful for the human warmth coming out of my palm."
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    Nice one Paris. Stalin killed innocent people, thousands of them. He killed communists. He killed the revolution.
    military might and a speight of partial economic development does not add up to socialism. Socialism
    is about class rule and democracy.
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    He defeated the Nazi's.

    He rose a powerful communist nation through force, which ultimately fell due to isolation and capitalist intervention.

    Granted, Russia increased it's technology in the passing years - going from farms to launching the first person into space in around 50 years. They managed to stockpile some of the most powerful weapons ever imagined. They managed to strike fear into the hearts of the people of the largest capitalist nation in existance.

    And, that, is why they failed.

    The propaganda machine of the US corrupted their minds. Even today, the citizens of the United States know nothing of the communist system or of Marx or Lenin. Hell, they don't even know about their own system.

    What I find hilarious is that people think they will be able to do it a second time. The damage has been done, and it's time for education.
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    Hey Paris, that's not history, I saw the website you got that from awhile back, some teenager wrote that for an english project I believe... ahh well
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    It's an allegory, IR. Don't you see what it's saying? It is surely not saying the bird is grateful for Stalin's mercy and his warm hand. It's saying that Stalin slowly plucked the life out of the people, making them petrified of his megalomanical tryanny and unable to rebel out of fear of his retribution, they submit..... but of course he thinks they're grateful.

    I have no idea who wrote it, but it's brilliant whoever did.



    (Edited by Paris at 8:17 am on Oct. 10, 2002)
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    So now we are to take one opinion from some upper class English student, who comes up with some allegory (which is not based on anything other than rumour and myth) for a accurate portrayal of Stalin and life in the USSR.

    Oh the stupidity.
    &#39;What is 11 million dollars compared to the love of 11 million Cubans&#39; Felix Savon

    &#39;&#39;That morning, my father took my hand and we went out. I saw how upset all the Algerians looked and how the French were rejoicing. I asked my father what had happened. He gravely replied: &#39;Stalin is dead...&#39; I asked who Stalin was. My father said: &#39;He was the greatest man of our time. He was the leader of the Soviet Union, the greatest revolutionary country. Stalin was the son of a cobbler.&#39; And I thought the son of a cobbler, someone like me...&#39; Algerian Revolutionary in fight against French Imperialism.

    The World Revolution is ongoing history. Even if you win the war, which I don’t think you will, the World Revolution will not and cannot be stooped by military means, Your very powerful army can do much harm to us, can kill many of our people - but it cannot kill ideas&#33; Its movement might seem dormant to you at the moment, but it s there and will come to the fore again out of the awakening of the poor, the downtrodden orginary people the world over in Africa, the Americas, in Asia and Europe too. People in their masses will one day understand that it is the power of capital over them which not only oppresses and robs them, but stifles their human potential, which either uses or discards them as mere pawns to make monetary profit out of the,. Once the people grasp that idea, it will mature into an almost material force in popular uprisings like spreading wildfires and will do what has to be done in the name of humanity. It will not be Russia who will do it for them, although the Russian working people were the first who have borken the chains. The people of the will do it for themselves in their own countries, against their own oppressors, in their own ways and in their own time&#33;’

    A &#39;Stalinist Beuracrate&#39; to his Fascist Guards in Nazi Camp.

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    ''Rumour and Myth'' Bullshit. The truth is accurately portrayed by Paris. How many books do you need?
    How about Stalin's own daughter.
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    lmao Cassius!

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    It DOES seem uncle Joe's name keeps turning up on the board more often than IE popup ads.

    Setting aside achievements, blunders and crimes that took place within the USSR, what I hold personally against Stalin is his horrendous mismanagement of the Communist Internationale. If there was a communist party in any country that Joe didn't fuck with and fuck up, it was not for lack of trying! (Both Mao and Tito smiled for the cameras, shook hands with Joe, and completely ignored his advice; no wonder they were the only two whose parties actually made revolutions.)

    The U.S. Communist Party was a particularly bad example; inspite of gaining some genuine support among U.S. workers c.1928-1933, Stalin's ham-fisted meddling ignited such a series of splits, fissures, and internal turmoil that by 1942 the CPUSA had nearly ceased to exist organizationally and had lost any hope of becoming a revolutionary political force. They continued for a while as the left wing of the New Deal Democrats; the onset of the cold war lost them even that. Thanks, Joe!

    From what little I've read, Joe fucked up the French and the Italian communist parties just as badly.

    Mao and Tito proved that it was possible to tell Joe to fuck off and make it stick; one can only lament the lack of that courage on the part of the entire Comintern.

    But then, even as (sadly) now, there are still folks who want to borrow costumes from the Russian Revolution and sport the feathers of second-hand prestige...however tattered the costumes and feathers, however stale the lines.

    Too bad!
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    I believe everyone is already clear as to where I stand on this issue, no?
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    Speaking of Stalin and Tito, did you know, (interesting fact) that during Stalin's era, he dedicated more propaganda directed against TIto then what he did against the U.S?
    It's true!
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    Despit the fact that this is just speculation and most likely NOT real. It is worth remembering that poor Tito and SFRY never used any propaganda in their lifes.
    &#39;What is 11 million dollars compared to the love of 11 million Cubans&#39; Felix Savon

    &#39;&#39;That morning, my father took my hand and we went out. I saw how upset all the Algerians looked and how the French were rejoicing. I asked my father what had happened. He gravely replied: &#39;Stalin is dead...&#39; I asked who Stalin was. My father said: &#39;He was the greatest man of our time. He was the leader of the Soviet Union, the greatest revolutionary country. Stalin was the son of a cobbler.&#39; And I thought the son of a cobbler, someone like me...&#39; Algerian Revolutionary in fight against French Imperialism.

    The World Revolution is ongoing history. Even if you win the war, which I don’t think you will, the World Revolution will not and cannot be stooped by military means, Your very powerful army can do much harm to us, can kill many of our people - but it cannot kill ideas&#33; Its movement might seem dormant to you at the moment, but it s there and will come to the fore again out of the awakening of the poor, the downtrodden orginary people the world over in Africa, the Americas, in Asia and Europe too. People in their masses will one day understand that it is the power of capital over them which not only oppresses and robs them, but stifles their human potential, which either uses or discards them as mere pawns to make monetary profit out of the,. Once the people grasp that idea, it will mature into an almost material force in popular uprisings like spreading wildfires and will do what has to be done in the name of humanity. It will not be Russia who will do it for them, although the Russian working people were the first who have borken the chains. The people of the will do it for themselves in their own countries, against their own oppressors, in their own ways and in their own time&#33;’

    A &#39;Stalinist Beuracrate&#39; to his Fascist Guards in Nazi Camp.

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