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...coincidence?
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I'm not sure whether this is an official statement or a breakaway group from ETA. If they do relaunch their armed campaign, I hope the targets will be police and the Spanish ruling class, not civilians.
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Weird...I was given an Euskal Herria top today
...coincidence?
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I think this is the actual ETA. A break-off faction would've announced itself.
It's really difficult to make sure that no civilians are hurt in a war especially when bombs are used in public areas.
ETA stopped using the sort of massive explosives that killed civillians and has been good about warnings out for the past few years.
With shootings, though, their track record is a bit sketchy. Lots of low-level and ultimately insignificant targets have been executed for relatively minor "crimes."
It'll be interesting to see how this develops.
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petronius, the satyricon
The problem in my mind is that the ETA are nationalists... So i dont know to support them or not.
It goes one for the student who refuses to submit and two for the teacher who is under-paid as shit, and three for the strikes who give young bloods life and four for the years you spent stifled inside.
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They are, or at least historically have been, Marxist-Leninists. I think the larger problem is their clinging to the armed party, which seems to have been an abject failure just about everywhere.
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petronius, the satyricon
I hear that the whole warning thing hasn't worked out sometimes which leads to the civilian and children casualties.
Could be. I'd only heard of a cop getting hurt, but I haven't been following it that closely. The attacks leading up to the cease-fire went off without a hitch, more or less.
'heavens above, how awful it is to live outside the law - one is always expecting what one rightly deserves.'
petronius, the satyricon
Your starting to sound like an IDF PR rep
I was simply stating the truth.
I completely agree. History has shown that armed struggle in the Basque country hasn't brought about independence. Tactics that may have otherwise proved successful in Palestine or the Six Counties won't necessarily work for the Basques.
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I don't think armed parties have proved particularly successful anywhere.
'heavens above, how awful it is to live outside the law - one is always expecting what one rightly deserves.'
petronius, the satyricon
Good news! Victory to the ETA! Glad to hear they will not go the way of the provos and disarm.
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What, so they can shoot more low-level politicians and bomb some random shit? I think it'd be better to turn the main thrust of the struggle over to the Basque National Liberation Movement and leave the armed party in the dustbin of history where it belongs. Liberation will come through mass action, not armed specialists.
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petronius, the satyricon
I like ETA. They are socialist, and fought hard against the fascists.
The Basque independance movement is still important. Basques dont have as many freedoms as average Spaniards.
I thought it was fun how they said they were going to stop using violence, and then took it back. Basques are fun. If the Basque country wasnt so fucking Catholic, maybe the ETA would have more power.
I don't think the spanish people in general share your sentiment.
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But then again we're talking about Basques, not Spaniards
Because it's much better to continue on in an unpopular, unwinnable struggle that has already cost countless lives...
“It is not true that people stop pursuing dreams because they grow old, they grow old because they stop pursuing dreams.” - Gabriel Garcia Marquez
"What forces can bring the national question to a successful conclusion? Only the working class can do so." - Ta Power
Indeed, ETA was instrumental in the downfall of the Spanish fascists. However, some 30 years have passed since then and while the Basques haven't had a very good time with the democratic farce, the days of armed parties are gone. Catalonia has made a great deal of headway on gaining independence, and I think Euskal Herria could fare just as well or better, given the strength and activity of the BNLM.
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petronius, the satyricon
You fool. These people have targeted working class men and women before if you didn't know. It's not good news. I'm Spanish and I seriously dislike such attittude knowing that family members have been affected by this.
ETA is not socialist. They stopped being so and in fact made it official during the 90's. They're now nationalist separatists with no defined political-economic system. If they were still marxist-leninists they would understand the importance of a centralised, organized vanguard party rather than the use of terrorism (something which Bakunin and Lenin saw as counter-revolutionary).
What do you mean 'they fought hard against the facists'? What are you talking about? The only thing they did was use terrorism to kill a few people. These people haven't even killed more than 500 people in their whole history. They're underfunded, disorganized and about to be eliminated as they should be.
You're quite right.
The Basque country is in Spanish territory so it concerns us all. Besides, the majority of the basque people do not support ETA and are not for independence.
Oh please, tell me how. I remind you that ETA did not bring down Franco's dictatorship. He died of age and that was it. Their violence did nothing to help bring down the regime. In fact, they simply made it more repressive (their acts cost the lives of many students who had nothing to do with it).
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I agree, but ETA have a lot of very strong catholics members. Just like the IRA over here, religion dosent come into their brand of warfare.
ETA have returned to violence as the spanish goverment banned its political party "batusuna" and really didnt let them have too much of a say. So Its time to get spanish attention once again.
I heard rumours and stirring about a week ago that plans to re-arm were underway but didnt take too much notice at the time. We just gotta see what happens comrades.
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