Stalingrad

[A.J.]

http://www.northstarcompass.org/nsc0607/stalingrad.htm

I am the daughter of a Soviet soldier, Ivan M. N. Bulgakov who was killed in Stalingrad, and I come very close to all those who demand the return to Volgograd its rightful name of the Great Stalin, and to erect a monument on the Mamaev Hill to the great Generalismus.

On May 9th of this year, I and my girlfriend Lily Mazurkevich travelled through this anti-Russian, pro NATO Ukraine with a great portrait of Stalin to Stalingrad, to the top of the sacred Mamaev Hill, in order to bow our heads to the heroes of the Battle of Stalingrad and to remember my father – to give thanks to these heroes, those liberators of out great Motherland.

As soon as we stepped unto the central square of the city, we were approached by two secret service agents, demanding that we get rid of the picture of Stalin, with which photo we traveled through half of Soviet Union, being in Moscow and Minsk. This photo is well known all over the world, and yes, it was published in "Northstar Compass" and in the newspaper "For USSR". You will not ever take this portrait from us!

As our fathers did, we stood on this Heroic Mamaev Hill in Stalingrad, where hundreds of young couples and their children stood with bowed heads and flowers in their hands and, all wanted to photograph themselves together with our large photograph of Stalin, in order to remember. We were very happy that these young people from Georgia, Russia, Ukraine, Azerbaijan, and even Bangladesh. We did not have the opportunity to ask them as to where they read and remembered the great world leader Stalin.

Children and parents crowded around us and exclaimed: "This is Grandfather Stalin, Grandfather Stalin!" Young girls in their pioneer uniforms and school uniforms that were worn during the Battle of Stalingrad, came to us and gave us many bouquet of flowers, thanking us for bringing the portrait of Stalin to this Mamaev Hill Complex.

In the museum "Battle of Stalingrad", everyone was crying as we watched a documentary film about this heroic battle, and this brought to mind the famous battle cry of the legendary Civil War hero Chapayev, when he said: "If you are to be killed, fall with your head forward!" This is the way the Soviet Red Army men went into battle in this death struggle, and for most, it was their very last battle–falling head forward for the Soviet Motherland and for Stalin!

At the present time we have the right to ask about our present dismal life and remember our fathers and mothers, who in their young years, died for us who are still living, and, ask the present president of Russia, why is Russia now in this dark haze?

All that we have seen from "Moscow to Volgograd" shook us terribly: terrible ruins of homes and cottages, dirty and filthy toilet facilities, overgrown with weeds streets and land – impossible to describe the present economic devastation. Garbage, railway rusted train boxcars, metal scraps all over the roads and countryside. The train stations did not see any repairs or cleaning for many years or any aspect of tidying up or repainting the buildings that were built during Soviet times.

Is this our glorious Victorious Country! And is this the road – towards Moscow!

After reaching Moscow, we went to the Red Square and saw big billboard with a nearly naked picture of a girl advertising a soft-drink, here on this sacred Red Square!! The other commercial buildings try to completely obliterate the sacred Mausoleum, the monument to Marshal Zhukov – this is beyond description at the absolute audacity of the present policy of the regime, trying by all means possible to obliterate the history of the Soviet Union and Socialism.

Until the Red Flag with the Hammer and Sickle will be flying over the country, the present enemies and traitors will be laughing openly at the gains of the Soviet people, its socialist history and its accomplishments, and, our children will be servants and cleaning toilets and not be flying to the Cosmos!

Therefore, today’s enemy, for now without the Auschwitz ovens and cannonades, still stands at the gates of Russia. Stalingrad for us – this is not only history, this is a school, of how to fight and defeat the enemy!

Galina Savchenko – "Movement for USSR" – Ukraine

[Organic Revolution]

'Grandpa' Joe was oh so wonderful... it was him that really won the battle at Stalingrad, not the soldiers there. Yep..

[Rawthentic]

Get the fuck out of this forum Stalinist. You belong in Opposing Ideologies

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Here's an article that describes the events of Stalingrad if anyone is interested: When the communists stopped the Nazis

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by hastalavictoria@Sep 24 2006, 07:58 PM
Get the fuck out of this forum Stalinist. You belong in Opposing Ideologies

Note: Fascists of all kinds are not allowed to post on RevLeft. This includes 'National Bolsheviks', 'third positionists' and all other pseudo-leftist fascists. Known fascists are not allowed to post here, no matter what they post. Also, hardcore Stalinists won't find many friends here. Stalinist members are free to post in all forums unless they show they are not able to have a polite and respectful debate.

That's from the guidelines. If you don't like it, maybe you should GTFO.

[rouchambeau]

Can this be moved to Events and Propaganda?

[Wanted Man]

I think it fits in History. If Anthony Beaver's bullshit is allowed there, then this should be, too.

[Janus]

I suppose that this should be moved to History then.

[VenceremosRed]

hastalavictoria: this is not the proper way to handle different ideologies and different viewpoints comrade. I am disappointed a Free People's Movement supporter would behave in such a way.

The correct way to struggle with people of different views is by taking the high road, using facts, and as Lenin said "patient education." Not cursing abuses at them.

Clearly this individual has a dogmatic nostalgia for the USSR. So what? It's meaningless. The masses know the USSR isn't coming back (nor would real communists want it to -- we want to do BETTER) -- address this, address how we with the Free People's Movement are taking up the challenge of the 21st Century and fighing for communism TODAY.

As Marx said, let the dead bury the dead.

[VenceremosRed]

Sorry, Marx actually got that from the bible Matthew 8:22. Good phrase anyway.

[Rawthentic]

You are right. I am sorry comrade for my comments.

[Tekun]

Instead of erecting a monument to Super Mario, I'd rather see a monument that honors the sacrifices of all the Russian ppl, soldiers and civilians that fought and died during the struggle against the German fascists

[Zeruzo]

Originally posted by Tekun@Sep 25 2006, 09:50 AM
Instead of erecting a monument to Super Mario, I'd rather see a monument that honors the sacrifices of all the Russian ppl, soldiers and civilians that fought and died during the struggle against the German fascists

something like....



this?

edit:
http://mamayevhill.volgadmin.ru/00_n.htm

For some other monuments too...

[Lamanov]

Yeah, a great victory: German and Russian working men dying for the sick ideologies and world domination contest of people with deformed sexual and social psychology.

[Comrade Marcel]

A.J., I'm sure you can see how hopeless the western left is.

[Enragé]

Originally posted by Organic Revolution@Sep 24 2006, 06:57 PM
'Grandpa' Joe was oh so wonderful... it was him that really won the battle at Stalingrad, not the soldiers there. Yep..

exactly

[kaaos_af]

Super Mario

nice one

[ComradeOm]

Originally posted by DJ-TC@Sep 25 2006, 03:14 PM
Yeah, a great victory: German and Russian working men dying for the sick ideologies and world domination contest of people with deformed sexual and social psychology.

True. The Russian workers should have saved themselves the trouble and simply submitted to the Nazis. They were nicer than those bad Stalinists

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by CompañeroDeLibertad@Sep 24 2006, 08:21 PM
Here's an article that describes the events of Stalingrad if anyone is interested: When the communists stopped the Nazis

What a bizarre little article that is.

I didn't realise your group was openly tankie, CDL.

Here's some choice bits:

The Red Army's victory, which was made possible by the Soviet people's bravery and selfless sacrifice and the unbreakable spirit of socialism

First of all, it's not "selfless" to fight if the only other option is being shot by your commanding officer for cowardice. It's simply self-preservation. Conscripts are neither "brave" nor "selfless", they're scared and brutalized.

As for the "spirit of socialism", who can say? Does the American victory over Japan display the unimpeachable moral prowess of free market capitalism? Did the incredible early advances of the Reich speak to the inherent superiority of the Aryan race over the mongrols?

Who can say? CDL?

Silly.

In the current period when it has become popular to slander communism, it's important to point out the great feats that were accomplished under its red banner.

It's only "important" if you feel that its neccessary to defend that tradition.

It is also important to remember that the one group of people that opposed the rise of fascism from the very beginning were communists.

"First Hitler, then Us" was the phrase of the Communists I think. The Tankies were certainly not opposed to Hitler in any proper sense, they were too busy knifing the Social Democrats.

Of course, for good and obvious reasons, the article forgets to mention that before the genocidal fascist hoardes invaded the glorious socialist state, the glorious socialist state signed a Peace Treaty with said fascist hoardes.

So, while the Tankies were "opposed" to Hitler, they never did anything to stop him getting into power and then they signed treaties with him when he was in power.

It's like me and icecream. I know I shouldn't eat too much, but I just can't help myself.



"I'm an anti-fascist, dontcha know"

an extreme version of capitalism

That is not what fascism is.

In a stunning example of the superiority of a planned economy

Hazaa for the planned economy!

The workers of Stalingrad showed an amazing amount of courage that is a true testament to the power of the working class.

No. It's a testament to a scared shitless population not wanting their country to fall to the Nazis.

Hail the Red Army!
On this 63rd anniversary of the Nazi's defeat at Stalingrad, the Revolutionary Youth wish to offer our sincerest gratitude to the heroic Soviet people who gave everything they had to defeat the Nazi monster and encourage all youths, workers, and other oppressed people around the world to do the same.

Although, if it's politically neccessary, we understand you may need to carve up Poland...

Good Day Comrades.

[VenceremosRed]

YKTMX: That's a very..."creative"....understanding of history there. By that I mean, completely wrong.

Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was signed to buy time from the impending war with fascist Germany. This is understandable, because despite "totalitarian" boogey-man myths the Soviet Union really had a small, inexperienced and lacking army. Besides this, a few years before the Moscow Trials purged, arrested, or executed many leading generals.

The Soviet Union needed time, desperately.

We can complain about how reality doesn't live up to our expectations, but ultimately all we can do is attempt to change it now. The Soviet Union defeneded itself from Germany, and signifcantly contributed in bringing down fascism. This is truth.

It is also truth that Stalin was a proletarian despot, and that the Soviet Union in 30's was a place of intense class struggle.