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http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/09/19...iots/index.html
When I woke up, turned on the television I saw this mess , what gnome rightist made...
We need help! If somebody can please help this weak country, because there are a lot of mad people , who wants facism...
These riots must be cutted off!
I heard about this on BBC earlier today...though there was very little information on what the protestors wanted or demanded
I doubt these ppl want fascism, but rather an end to corruption and for the opposition to snatch power
I'll await new developments b4 I take a position on this situation
Erebos, are u in Hungary?
If so, keep us informed on the developments that the bourgeoisie media withholds
<span style=\'color:red\'>As long as there is a people, there will be revolution - Oliverio Castaneda de Leon</span>
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<span style=\'color:red\'>There is no retirement for guerrillas, just a change in battles - Cesar Montes</span>
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can't the communist party overthere make anti-facist protests as to say that they are against all this happening?
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comrade, are you ok ?
(yes this guy lives in hungary, i know him, i can affirm it)
what indicates it is a right revolution ?
it reminds me of what happened in sidney...
how can we - the left - help ?
If it comes so heated you - as a member of the communist party - have to move out you can always have a bed at my adress... if you make it to belgium. i cant fight, but i can help those who can (your a soldier arnt you ?)
! Hasta la victoria siempre !
I saw the riots on the TV, What makes them "rightist" exactly?
"How you cling to your purity, young man! How afraid you are to soil your hands! All right, stay pure! What good will it do? Why did you join us? Purity is an idea for a yogi or a monk. You intellectuals and Bourgeois anarchists use it as a pretext for doing nothing. To do nothing, to remain motionless, arms at your sides, wearing kids gloves. Well, I have dirty hands. Right up to the elbows. I've plunged them in the filth and blood. But what do you hope? Do you think you'll govern innocently?"-Jean-Paul Sartre
could be a misunderstanding. Maybe it looks rightist because it's against the leader of the socialist party
“Where the worker is regulated bureaucratically from childhood onwards, where he believes in authority, in those set over him, the main thing is to teach him to walk by himself.” - Marx
"It is illogical and incorrect to reduce everything to the economic [socialist] revolution, for the question is: how to eliminate [political] oppression? It cannot be eliminated without an economic revolution... But to limit ourselves to this is to lapse into absurd and wretched ... Economism." - Lenin
"[During a revolution, bourgeois democratic] demands [of the working class] ... push so hard on the outer limits of capital's rule that they appear likewise as forms of transition to a proletarian dictatorship." - Luxemburg
“Well, then go forward, Tower of Bebel! [August] Bebel is one of the most brilliant representatives of scientific international socialism. His writings, speeches and works make up a great tower, a strong arsenal, from which the working class should take their weapons. We cannot recommend it enough… And if the [International] deserves to be named Tower of Bebel... well, then we are lucky to have such a Tower of Bebel with us.” - Vooruit
It's not a purely rightist "revolution", and it's certainly not fascist. The people are pissed off because the president admitted to lying, and was caught on tape.
Fair enough, I say. You cannot survive politics if you admit you lie, and despite what lots of people here might think, just because he's a leftie doesn't make him immune.
"Speak not of revolution until you are willing to eat rats to survive" The Last Poets
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The article said many of the rioters came from the "conservative opposition," but I'd like to see the evidence for that. It seems to be your usual explosion of the people's rage against a corrupt government.
'heavens above, how awful it is to live outside the law - one is always expecting what one rightly deserves.'
petronius, the satyricon
10,000 people gathering in one city is a "revolution" nowadays?Your average anti-war protest is usually bigger.
What's the matter Lagerboy, afraid you might taste something?
Well let's see if it manages to overthrow the government, then we can see whether the title is justified.Originally posted by Matthijs@Sep 19 2006, 01:21 PM
10,000 people gathering in one city is a "revolution" nowadays?
"Speak not of revolution until you are willing to eat rats to survive" The Last Poets
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Kensei thx I'm ok , I'm saying hallelujah , cause , I live near Budapest , so there was no riots here yet..
I saw the ppl who was on this shit , they were bald, and hungarist ppl , and the y are fired up , by a ritghist politist called Viktor Orbán , who wants revenge because , whe hadn't been elected since 6 years...
But the problem is , rightist thinks it's a war against communism , and leftism, so now they are watching who is leftist , asking unfamilier ppl what they're thinking about leftism etc.
So I see that mad days will come to our little homeland... :S
And to reply for the question what make them rightist , they were waving flags with the map of Hungary before first WW , and they were flinging their arms and singing the anthem... and actually , some idiot climbed on the buliding , and getted the EU flag off and burned it down... actually, they fired the MTV building , and they made some explosions there too. The maddest was , they robbed everything from the building , and they getted off rocks , and they were dropping them on policemen... So I think , it wasn't just unserious... they made about 1 million dollar impariment during ine night
On the BBC news last night they said that many right wing youth were at the forefront of the violence. I know the BBC is bourgeoisie media but they have no reason to lie about this.
The Commies should get in there and get the red flags waving
“It is not true that people stop pursuing dreams because they grow old, they grow old because they stop pursuing dreams.” - Gabriel Garcia Marquez
"What forces can bring the national question to a successful conclusion? Only the working class can do so." - Ta Power
I read in the articles that the extreme-right groups are at the head of causing most of teh damage. Is it even remotly possible the real socialists could take to the streets against the government too? maybe that could limit the clash between the two sides? If the fascists actually cease power what will you do?
It's getting more and more serious... Now they're starting it in small towns two , they're appearing unexpectedly , beacuase they're communicating by smsm , so nobody knows when they appear. Thankfuly there were no weapons used yet...
But the problem is , if fascist will use it , it will be a war than.. Socialist , have to make a powerful union to get over of this shit , but I dunno why , every socialist is silent now... Probably , because fascist are mad and aunnormal junks who cannot be called human, but we are human , and want not to become neanderthal man , and want to make this conflict in normal human way.
It appears to me that socialists are doing very little if anything, because the PM is himself a "socialist" or at least that's what he calls himself
So if socialists were to take to the street's they would have very lil support considering that the corrupt PM is himself a "socialist"
I would even say that they would be attacked for apparently sympathizing with the "socialist" government or for just sharing the same ideology (apparently, given the title)
If socialists/communists were to take to the streets, they only way that they would gather support would be if they were in no way connected to the socialist party in Hungary or the government, they would have to be grassroot socialists, not aligned with any party or government
Stressing socio-economic reforms and anti-corruption would help gain support for grassroot socialists
I've also heard that those who have supported and organized the current protests are football hooligans? Which sounds rather strange..football fans organizing protests against the government?
Any truth to this Erebos?
<span style=\'color:red\'>As long as there is a people, there will be revolution - Oliverio Castaneda de Leon</span>
<span style=\'color:gray\'>"He allowed himself to be swayed by his conviction that human beings are not born once and for all on the day their mothers give birth to them, but that life obliges them over and over again to give birth to themselves" - Gabriel Garcia Marquez </span>
<span style=\'color:red\'>There is no retirement for guerrillas, just a change in battles - Cesar Montes</span>
Marxist Internet Archive<span style=\'color:red\'>~</span>Free People's Movement<span style=\'color:red\'>~</span>Industrial Workers of the World
The statue of the Red Army, built for the victory against fascism, was also damaged. Its on the same Szabadsαg square, where the state TV's building can be found. It is also interesting to note that the Hammer and Sickle is banned in Hungary, anyone bearing it will be imprisoned. A couple of months earlier the conservatives wanted to bann Che Guevara's pictures too, I don't know if they made it.
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“Where the worker is regulated bureaucratically from childhood onwards, where he believes in authority, in those set over him, the main thing is to teach him to walk by himself.” - Marx
"It is illogical and incorrect to reduce everything to the economic [socialist] revolution, for the question is: how to eliminate [political] oppression? It cannot be eliminated without an economic revolution... But to limit ourselves to this is to lapse into absurd and wretched ... Economism." - Lenin
"[During a revolution, bourgeois democratic] demands [of the working class] ... push so hard on the outer limits of capital's rule that they appear likewise as forms of transition to a proletarian dictatorship." - Luxemburg
“Well, then go forward, Tower of Bebel! [August] Bebel is one of the most brilliant representatives of scientific international socialism. His writings, speeches and works make up a great tower, a strong arsenal, from which the working class should take their weapons. We cannot recommend it enough… And if the [International] deserves to be named Tower of Bebel... well, then we are lucky to have such a Tower of Bebel with us.” - Vooruit
Now that's bad... VERY bad... How can you ban the Hammer and Sickle? What a nightmare for a true Communist... :angry:
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