I was wondering this myself, since hearing how lionized he was in the movie Braveheart.
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I'm curious as to what people think of him. I know he's regarded as a national hero in Scotland, but he had a quite a dark side.
please share your thoughts
\"Ultimately, all true revolutionaries are motivated by love.\"--Che
I was wondering this myself, since hearing how lionized he was in the movie Braveheart.
\"Revolutions are dreamt up by intellectuals but their aims are so unrealistic they\'ll stoop to drastic measures. Following the revolution the worthy passions for rebirth are swallowed up by bureaucracy and mediocrity. Intellectuals dislike this so they
uuhhhhh usually people think william was perfect as you can see the movie, but the movie is full of mistakes,
1-you can see the scots fighting with those silly paintings, but thoise paintings disapeard 100 years before william wallace, so the scots dindt fought with those pintings
2-the dates arent acurate, its all wrong with the dates
3.if you notice lonshanks in the movie is a bad guy, but in real life he wasnt, he started a republic, he apointed ministers etc, so he wasnt the totalitary king you see in the movie
4- the batle of stirling, its just bulshit, the batle of stirlgin wasnt even close to what they represented in the movie, the real batle was divided in 2, 1 part of the batle was an ambush made by the scots, the englishmen were on a bridge, and then the scots surrounded them and attacked them, only then they fought in open field
5-if you notice williamwallace fals in love by a french women, (she is very importatn but i dont remember what she is in the movie) well the women existed and she was inportant in the real life, the problem was that she was born, after william was dead, so she could be his lover, but the scots did ally with the french
6-in the movie you see that ther english troops kill william´s girlfriens, well there arent conclusive proves that she really existed, the fact is we dont know if it really apened, but there are certen proves pointing to it.
now the acurate parts, william father did fought england, he did die, and william made that insurrection, and william did die oin the hands of the englishman
the final batle you see in the movie did hapen, for me its the best batle, since it was the greates victory the scots had, they weree hungry ,weak and with not very well equiped, but after the scot noble speeche they won the batle and won the war (you died and bleed for wallace now die and bleed for me!) i dont know if this speeche is corect, but it can be!
well for the dark side, he did slaughtre all english troops he captured and put his heads on sticks, but that is the way wars were fought in those times, wihtout the slaughtery he couldnt have so much fear by the english troops!
My main objection to Wallace would be his brutality. After his victory at Sterling Bridge, Wallace marched unopposed into North Umberland. Once there, he proceeded to raze every structure and murder every man, woman, and child living in North Umberland. After polishing off most of Northern England's population he destroyed the city of York and murdered most of its inhabitants. After all this bloodshed he was named sole protector of Scotland by Robert the Bruce. Wallace would have succeeded in gaining independence, but jealous nobles betrayed Wallace to the English for some estates in Wales. What turned Wallace into a martyr was his public execution, during which he was drawn and quartered and his limbs sent to the four corners of Britain. If he hadn't been that popular before, he was after that little display. Another little inaccuracy made in the movie was at the end when wallace is being tortured, you see Edward I on his death bed. Edward I didn't die for another three years (unfortunately). So, Wallace was a pretty ruthless guy when it comes down to it, but great leaders often are.
\"Ultimately, all true revolutionaries are motivated by love.\"--Che
William Wallace was a hero to scotland.. I have read a bit on him. His death wasn't too accurate either
In real life his intestines were pulled out and burned while still attached to him. That happened after the hanging and drawing.
The reason he won at stirling was because of teh soft, swampy soil near the bridge... The English Cavalry could not move quickly and were cut off by spearmen. After crushing the cavalry, the infantry were destroyed.
In the movie, one of the english commanders gets decapitated. He , in reality was decapitated and then skinned. His skin was used for a belt for Wallace.
Brutal but effect. He waged guerilla warfare. No different from che.
thats what warfare was all abotu in those times, you were only feared if you razed every building and killed every human and animal being, also by doing this you would prevent insurrections since people would fear you, every great army did it, what was the secret of the sucess of the mongols? their brutality! it qwas not prety but it was warfare at the time!
About the wallace torture, his guts were put on fire when they were still atached to william, and after that he was squartered in pieces and his head puted on a stick over the towere of london!
He had a very dark side, but may i ask who dindt had a dark side in those times? even Joanne de Arc had a dark side! yet she was considered a saint!
Joan of Arc never killed innocent women and children.
\"Revolutions are dreamt up by intellectuals but their aims are so unrealistic they\'ll stoop to drastic measures. Following the revolution the worthy passions for rebirth are swallowed up by bureaucracy and mediocrity. Intellectuals dislike this so they
sure tell that to yourself, medivial warfare was about genocides, it has nothing to do with today warfare, today whne you want a slsuthery you have to say to your troops: "Take no prisioners" in those times there were no way to prevent slauthery! she had to make massacres in order to defeat the englishmen! Every army in those times com,ited massacres, Joanne´s army was no excepcion
You guys are either very very knowledgable or very very old.
its true wars during those periods were fought using fear, using these tactics battles were often won before they started and joan of arc was no exception.
What proof do you have that she killed women and children?
The only places she attacked was castles.
\"Revolutions are dreamt up by intellectuals but their aims are so unrealistic they\'ll stoop to drastic measures. Following the revolution the worthy passions for rebirth are swallowed up by bureaucracy and mediocrity. Intellectuals dislike this so they
you know castles are surrounded by citys, if you notice there is the castle and the there are the city and only then there are the walls and the gate, the kind of castles you referd are fairy tale castles in the tyop of mountain, very diferent to central/west european castles, she did attack citys controled by the englishes, and due to the age we are talking about we should ask Any proofs that she DIDNT killed women and children?
Yeah, no shit, but that does not mean they would attack the villages just for the hell of it. It was not her cause, she faught battles, also wherein there were not any women or children, and plenty of history books depict that not happening.
So enough with the assumptions.
\"Revolutions are dreamt up by intellectuals but their aims are so unrealistic they\'ll stoop to drastic measures. Following the revolution the worthy passions for rebirth are swallowed up by bureaucracy and mediocrity. Intellectuals dislike this so they
ya shure he was prefect! keep saying that to yourself! There is no army in those ages (and today we still srr massacres in wars!) that avent comited massacres, joanne´s army was no excepcion, she was declared saint because she said the talked with god, and god said to her to eliminate the english troops in france abd thats what she did! do you really think the english troops had theyr familys in england? no they took them to france so they can continue a life in france, the military camps werent 100% male, there were women cooking, and along with the women there were children etc, even in the napoleonic wars there were women serving the navy, cooking in the ships, and eventually dieng when the batles apened in the sea, an army isnt 100% there were women to cook, entretain the troops etc! so yed joane did killed inocent people!
I think Mr. deadpool thinks that the movie "messanger:Joan of arc" is 100% correct.
No one is flawless and joan wasnt either. I undertsand that she is considered a saint but that is only because she said she spoke with god or whatever. BULLSHIT.
So tomorrow i can say "i talk to god...oi oi oi...yada yada yada....bada bing bada boom...god will kill the taliban for me and i will lead your army." then i can make a gaint bomb with the money i steal from a bank (because it was in the name of god so i cant be in trouble at all) and send it over and nuke the whole place. Then kill myself. And ill become a saint? WOW! cool. Im gonna do that! j/k
And william Wallace was a hero for scotland. he was brutal when he needed to be and a great leader always. I think he is one of the many very influencial people in history.
The church is not only filled with lies, deception, threats, and bullshit...but now is overrun with child groping priests!
Truth is though, alot of people wouldn't know who he was if it hadn't been for Braveheart.
I suppose its te normal thing, scotish hero, terrorist to the english.
Captain Blackadder: You see, Baldrick, in order to prevent war two great super-armies developed. Us, the Russians and the French on one side, Germany and Austro-Hungary on the other. The idea being that each army would act as the other's deterrent. That way, there could never be a war.
Private Baldrick: Except, this is sort of a war, isn't it?
Captain Blackadder: That's right. There was one tiny flaw in the plan.
Lieutenant George: O, what was that?
Captain Blackadder: It was bollocks.
i remember that! only after the movie the scots started to make statues and stuff about william! pathetic!
The Scots constructed a statue of Wallace outisde Stirling in the the 1860s. Unless I'm mistaken, there were no films then.
“There are no boundaries in this struggle to the death. We cannot be indifferent to what happens anywhere in the world, for a victory by any country over imperialism is our victory; just as any country's defeat is a defeat for all of us.†– Che Guevara
“We still believe that the struggle of Ireland for freedom is a part of the world-wide upward movement of the toilers of the earth, and we still believe that the emancipation of the working class carries within it the end of all tyranny – national, political and social.†– James Connolly
lol - your right.
I meant wallace wouldn't be known world wide as he is now. Hes the scots robin hood.
Captain Blackadder: You see, Baldrick, in order to prevent war two great super-armies developed. Us, the Russians and the French on one side, Germany and Austro-Hungary on the other. The idea being that each army would act as the other's deterrent. That way, there could never be a war.
Private Baldrick: Except, this is sort of a war, isn't it?
Captain Blackadder: That's right. There was one tiny flaw in the plan.
Lieutenant George: O, what was that?
Captain Blackadder: It was bollocks.
maybe, but he's a real prick.
Also, Joan of Arc couldn't kill English civilians, even if she wanted to. The only English at Orleans were soldiers, and other battles only involved attacking fortresses not towns (afterall the English were still in the process of invading France; they weren't ready to settle down yet).
\"Ultimately, all true revolutionaries are motivated by love.\"--Che
from James:
I meant wallace wouldn't be known world wide as he is now. Hes the scots robin hood.
I once read somehwere that Murron in Braveheart was in reality called Marian, bt they changed it for the film because they didn't want people getting confused with Robin Hood.
“There are no boundaries in this struggle to the death. We cannot be indifferent to what happens anywhere in the world, for a victory by any country over imperialism is our victory; just as any country's defeat is a defeat for all of us.†– Che Guevara
“We still believe that the struggle of Ireland for freedom is a part of the world-wide upward movement of the toilers of the earth, and we still believe that the emancipation of the working class carries within it the end of all tyranny – national, political and social.†– James Connolly
