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I mean why were the English, French and Spanish Civil Wars, but the American and Cuban ovrerthrows are Revolutions?
Just curious.
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Good point! but remember that America revolution is a revolution because there was no America befeore, i mean it was a english state, the same with cuba, since cuba belonged to america, in el«ngland, france and spain there was no foreing couuntry has enemy, in cuba and america it was a war against foreing powers!
I gotya. So kicking out a foreign power in order to have self determination is a Revolution, while an intra-border struggle is a civil war.
Now that makes sense. Thanks.
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Didn't the US have a revolution and then a civil war?
“There are no boundaries in this struggle to the death. We cannot be indifferent to what happens anywhere in the world, for a victory by any country over imperialism is our victory; just as any country's defeat is a defeat for all of us.” – Che Guevara
“We still believe that the struggle of Ireland for freedom is a part of the world-wide upward movement of the toilers of the earth, and we still believe that the emancipation of the working class carries within it the end of all tyranny – national, political and social.” – James Connolly
Didn't the Russia have a revolution and then a civil war too?
Sorry about my poor english i am a french canadian at birth!
I would say a revolution is the succeessfull attempt of civil troops to overthrow a government, no matter if the government is a foreign power or not. So a revolution can be a victorious civil war.
"The proletariat, when it seizes power [...] should and must at once undertake socialist measures in the most energetic, unyielding and unhesitant fashion, in other words, exercise a dictatorship, but a dictatorship of the CLASS, not of a party or of a clique -- dictatorship of the class, that means in the broadest possible form on the basis of the most active, unlimited participation of the mass of the people, of unlimited democracy." - Rosa Luxemburg
"An Rhein und Ruhr marschieren wir. / Für unsere Freiheit kämpfen wir! / Den Streifendienst, schlagt ihn entzwei! / Edelweiß marschiert – Achtung – die Straße frei!"
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malte in that case spanish civil war would be a revolution since Franco overthrow the spanish republic!
ok let me correct my definition:
A revolution is the succeessfull attempt of civil troops, supported by the people, to overthrow a government, no matter if the government is a foreign power or not. So a revolution can be a victorious civil war.
"The proletariat, when it seizes power [...] should and must at once undertake socialist measures in the most energetic, unyielding and unhesitant fashion, in other words, exercise a dictatorship, but a dictatorship of the CLASS, not of a party or of a clique -- dictatorship of the class, that means in the broadest possible form on the basis of the most active, unlimited participation of the mass of the people, of unlimited democracy." - Rosa Luxemburg
"An Rhein und Ruhr marschieren wir. / Für unsere Freiheit kämpfen wir! / Den Streifendienst, schlagt ihn entzwei! / Edelweiß marschiert – Achtung – die Straße frei!"
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Franco was suported by the people! he copuld make such rebelion without at least 1/3 of the Spanish people!
ok, than technicly the spanish civil war was a revoltion. Although a pretty reactionary one...
"The proletariat, when it seizes power [...] should and must at once undertake socialist measures in the most energetic, unyielding and unhesitant fashion, in other words, exercise a dictatorship, but a dictatorship of the CLASS, not of a party or of a clique -- dictatorship of the class, that means in the broadest possible form on the basis of the most active, unlimited participation of the mass of the people, of unlimited democracy." - Rosa Luxemburg
"An Rhein und Ruhr marschieren wir. / Für unsere Freiheit kämpfen wir! / Den Streifendienst, schlagt ihn entzwei! / Edelweiß marschiert – Achtung – die Straße frei!"
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The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.
revolution
NOUN: 1a. Orbital motion about a point, especially as distinguished from axial rotation: the planetary revolution about the sun. b. A turning or rotational motion about an axis. c. A single complete cycle of such orbital or axial motion. 2. The overthrow of one government and its replacement with another. 3. A sudden or momentous change in a situation: the revolution in computer technology. 4. Geology A time of major crustal deformation, when folds and faults are formed.
http://www.bartleby.com/61/0/R0210000.html
"The proletariat, when it seizes power [...] should and must at once undertake socialist measures in the most energetic, unyielding and unhesitant fashion, in other words, exercise a dictatorship, but a dictatorship of the CLASS, not of a party or of a clique -- dictatorship of the class, that means in the broadest possible form on the basis of the most active, unlimited participation of the mass of the people, of unlimited democracy." - Rosa Luxemburg
"An Rhein und Ruhr marschieren wir. / Für unsere Freiheit kämpfen wir! / Den Streifendienst, schlagt ihn entzwei! / Edelweiß marschiert – Achtung – die Straße frei!"
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Bah i dont believe in American Dictionarys! hehe
The US never technically owned Cuba, but they do have a lease on Guantanamo Bay.
Isn't a revolution a 360-degree turn?
“There are no boundaries in this struggle to the death. We cannot be indifferent to what happens anywhere in the world, for a victory by any country over imperialism is our victory; just as any country's defeat is a defeat for all of us.” – Che Guevara
“We still believe that the struggle of Ireland for freedom is a part of the world-wide upward movement of the toilers of the earth, and we still believe that the emancipation of the working class carries within it the end of all tyranny – national, political and social.” – James Connolly
A revolution is the upheaval or attempted upheaval of the whole social order.
A civil war is just factional in-fighting or struggles for power.
“Not around the inventors of new noise, but around the inventors of new values, doth the world revolveth; inaudibly it revolveth.” - Nietzsche
Surely a revolution is an overturning of the current order -- a single event. A civil war is when two armies fight each other for control of the same country. A revolution is when a change happens, but not within the normal legitimate ways.
I once was blind, now I can see
The American Revolution was a revolution in name only. A true Revolution overturns an existing form of government. The American Revolution was a war that separated part of the Empire to create an independent republic.
The first real modern revolution was the French Revolution. I've studied American history, particularly the American Revolution, and am quite positive that it was in all actuality, a civil war.
(Edited by RedCeltic at 11:19 am on Aug. 17, 2002)
In Solidarity,
RC
Just butting in here, but I'm currently reading up on American Constitutionalism - From The Declaration of Independence to the Constitution (what the fuck for!!), and the authors explicitly state that the American Revolution is in many respects an echo of the English Revolution of the 17th century.
In fact, many English revolutionaries like Cromwell had considered going to America to found a Godly Commonwealth, although on the outset, general ideas on a rationally conceived and adopted constitution was shared by all three revolutions.
The prolonged barrage engulfed Zero-One in the glow of a thousand suns. But unlike their former masters with their delicate flesh, the machines had little to fear of the bombs' radiation and heat. Thus did Zero-One's troops advance outwards in every direction. And one after another, mankind surrendered its territories. So the leaders of men conceived of their most desperate strategy yet. A final solution: the destruction of the sky.
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I think a revolution is when an existing countries gov't has a radical change. A civil war is when the same country ........................... FORGET IT. I'VE confused myself
(Edited by timbaly at 9:25 pm on Aug. 24, 2002)
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from suffianr:
In fact, many English revolutionaries like Cromwell had considered going to America to found a Godly Commonwealth, although on the outset, general ideas on a rationally conceived and adopted constitution was shared by all three revolutions.
Oliver Cromwell, the genocidal maniac who slaughtered Irish men and women en masse?
“There are no boundaries in this struggle to the death. We cannot be indifferent to what happens anywhere in the world, for a victory by any country over imperialism is our victory; just as any country's defeat is a defeat for all of us.” – Che Guevara
“We still believe that the struggle of Ireland for freedom is a part of the world-wide upward movement of the toilers of the earth, and we still believe that the emancipation of the working class carries within it the end of all tyranny – national, political and social.” – James Connolly
