hidden facists

[norwegian commie]

In norway, we have a problem with "hidden facists"
They are facists, no doubt. They even say so themselves, but they claim to be leftist, a little communist but votes on the most racist capitalist party in norway.

They call themselves social corporatists, and hide their politics behind a bucket f crap. They claim to be radikal leftists supporting some communism and adding some facism. They supported and support mussolini. I fear an negative impact on the public view of the left.

Alsoe a "marxist" group called communistic front in norway openly supports and co-operates with the facists. What is happening? People wont see the un-revolutionary and un-communist in the parties... Theill se communists-facists promoting the same evil. HUH, ill vote blue this year, culd be a reaction. Not so good for our revolution.
Webpage

(ive broken the link) just delete hxxp
theyr punchline is:we wish to be a rally poingt for national syndicalists, facists, corporatists and other revolutionary paths in the REAL left.

[Zero]

Expose - Oppose - Confront.

Best way to deal with them IMO, best thing you can do is raise public awareness.

[norwegian commie]

absolutely. i Agree, and if those bastards even think of making a public statement. We will oppose them

[Darth Revan]

:angry: how many of those bastards are there :wacko: ?

[norwegian commie]

they keep that a secret. But they er outnumbered by the leftists.
So there arent too many of them, but they can still damage the image people have on the left.

i am wondering, have any of you guys seen the same thing?

[An archist]

No, but I do see a trend of right-wingers 'defending' traditional leftist issues like freedom of speech (we have the right to say we are racists)
or equality of oportunities (foreigners are now being advantaged, we want white people to get the same chances)
It simply disgusts me that they claim to defend these things while all they want is the end of them.

[RevolutionaryMarxist]

I think sometimes we overestimate the power of these facist parties modern-days, as in most European nations, it is a against the law to be a publicized facist (Sometimes the power is abused, but it still exists).

Here in the US, Most people don't even know there was a "American Nazi Party", and a lot don't even know there is/was a "CPUSA" or any other socialist party, for they are always caught in the mindset of the "Democrat vs Republican" constant, thinking that it was always unanimous that the "people support democracy/capitalism".

If they ever get out of hand, then more attention should be focused on them. If they are a minor issue, attempts to expose will more likely be ignored by the people if it isn't relevant.

[LuXe]

I agree here Norwegian Commie.. These are hidden to damn well. We must oppose them here, and take them down. Vigrid is our main problem.

To Norwegian Commie; (In norw.)

Er dette Vigrid du sikter til? I såfall kan du linke til deres side med henvisninger og oversette en del til de andre; http://www.vigrid.net

[SPK]

Originally posted by LuXe@Sep 10 2006, 02:21 PM
I agree here Norwegian Commie.. These are hidden to damn well. We must oppose them here, and take them down. Vigrid is our main problem.

Who or what is Vigrid?

[LuXe]

Vigrid, is a nazi kinda movement, who starts with basic ancient norse mythology as their main "thing". http://www.vigrid.net is their homepage. In Norway, they Daily recruit new members to their fascist movement. These people also claim that holocaust never happened actuallt, and that all the pictures of killed jews are from allied bombings. They also file lawsuits against anyone who makes anti-nazi statements, although they have never succeeded.

They are pure scum.

[Lings]

The social corporatists in norway are eleven internet warriors who even lack the rethorical skills of your average internet-bonehead, the communist front of norway who support them (or supported, i cant remember) are maybe in the twenties when it comes to members, have a political policy that says that they should not be active but sleep until a potential anti-fascist or revolutionary war and (this is a guess) consist mostly of young teens with no actual knowledge of neither ideology or struggle.
I'm shitloads more scared of the national youth and vigrid.

[Nathan_Morrison]

Is there an organiation in norway called the blitz or something that beats the shit outta fashists in norway.

[Lings]

Blitz is a selv-governed youth house, mainly anarchist centered, they've got quite nice cheap vegan food, a decent bookstore, fun concerts and a lot of the afa-enviroment has its background there. There are a couple of places like that.

[norwegian commie]

The social corporatists in norway are eleven internet warriors who even lack the rethorical skills of your average internet-bonehead, the communist front of norway who support them (or supported, i cant remember) are maybe in the twenties when it comes to members, have a political policy that says that they should not be active but sleep until a potential anti-fascist or revolutionary war and (this is a guess) consist mostly of young teens with no actual knowledge of neither ideology or struggle.
I'm shitloads more scared of the national youth and vigrid.

Yeah, sure.
But you see the picture im afraid people can get?
Anyways, i doubt the noumbers you posted are authentic.

As for Vigrid, they are prgressing these days.
Their main group is so called "looser" teens, with no friends and no enviroment. Vigrid pics em up and converts them to nazism. But the nazi threat is over i belive. What i do fear is right-wing extremism with racism mixed up, discuised as rightist or leftist movement. They may actually gain votes and members.

[LuXe]

However Vigrid remains a serious threat. This is probably caused by the media. Why? Because they give the ALOT of media coverage.. Everytime they do a "PR-stunt" the media hangs on and sell the stories, thereby sending their message out to people, and the people joins Vigrid. Im gonna start up some group and go against them. And burn down their club house here in Aalesund. First I must find it of course.

Maybe hack their webpage... Could that help?

[norwegian commie]

that would be a good idea. But i dont know how too. If i did i would indeed d so, against them and the other facist groups. But fact is, i cant.

[LuXe]

I and some friends with good knowlede on their server system once sat down and in a month we had read really much about hacking. We had alots of tools too.

We hacked the http://www.vigrid.net through a yahoo email client. (First we nuked their main email adress with viruses spam osv.) It certainly took out the leaders comp.

then we managed to delete the site through gaining admin rights and deleting everything. (My friend used some rather spooky methods)

Sadly enough the site was only down for about 30 minutes, the they had it up and running again.

[Lings]

Yeah, sure.
But you see the picture im afraid people can get?

Yeah, i see that. I usualy trust people to see through shit like what they post, but you never know do you..
so thats why we firstly shouldnt allow the boneheads to get a platform, make sure that simply as few people as possible know that they exist, making it impossible for them to get new members. If we fail at that and they start having strongholds and devoted activists we should "steal their clothes" politicaly, make sure noone ever trusts them with anything. If they start uniforming themselves and organizing in the streets, we should beat the shit out of them, i'm not taking lightly on there being fascists. At all.

[FreedomWithin]

woa, thats total bullshit.

i never knew any of that. thanls for postin that