BTW, since you like Chomsky the Trots actually have a good article exposing his nationalism:
http://www.icl-fi.org/english/wv/874/chomsky.html
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You mean after they've already bombed the place to the stone age?
I don't know what you think the "real left" is, but I know the realistic left realises the way to do this is not bowing to imperialism, playing to nationalist emotions, begging a colonialist bourgeoisie and trying to appeal to the hearts of imperial soldiers of a labour aristocracy.
Maybe so, but I don't give a fuck about KKKanadian patriotism.
How about "bring the war home" instead? Give us a taste of our own medicine.
Kanadians already have this.
Where do you think this piece of the pie is going to come from? Do you think that the bourgeois is just going to hand over profit, when instead they can send people to war at the workers exspense?
Kanadian and even ameriKKKans are already pretty literate compared to most of the 3rd world, so I don't see how this is an excuse for supporting war.
Building the counry was and is built on imperialism and war. I'm not interested in building this country at the cost of others self-determination.
I'm not interested in winning them over at the cost of the majority of the rest of the world.
What is why?
And Stalin came before Mao.
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BTW, since you like Chomsky the Trots actually have a good article exposing his nationalism:
http://www.icl-fi.org/english/wv/874/chomsky.html
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Lol.
The Trotskyists are more of the same authoritarian socialism that has FAILED all over the world. Often with rather disastrous results.
And don't give me that "life expectancy has doubled" crap cause that is meaningless to me. Many liberal democracies have increased their life expectancy and you guys don't all support them.
Try Anarchism!!
In any event, they describe China in that article as being "Deformed workers state" Come on! China is very clearly a capitalist sweatshop, no workers state at all!
Comrade Marcel - Try looking into my NON violent Manifesto and let me know what you think.
http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/ind...howtopic=56561
"Government is an association of men who do violence to the rest of us." Leo Tolstoy
"In existing States a fresh law is looked upon as a remedy for evil. Instead of themselves altering what is bad, people begin by demanding a law to alter it." Peter Kropotkin
I'm gonna hazard a guess that he'll think it's just as idiotic as the rest of us do.
Seriously, comrade, as an anarchist, I implore you not to interject this kind of absurd advertising into an unrelated thread. It's unneccesary, everyone here knows what anarchism is and why they do or don't support it.
Also, Marcel is the last person I know who would suddenly turn anarcho on us.
I bet that he eats class collaborationists like you for breakfast. Raw.
What's the matter Lagerboy, afraid you might taste something?
Funny? So in other words you didn't even bother to read it.
To my knowledge there is and has never been any Trotkskyite states; at least not on earth. The Trot Posadas used to talk about UFOs though!
Compared to what?
I'm sure it is meaningless to you, but I'm sure the people's whose lives undoubtedly improved under socialism have a different prospective.
That's because they increased living standards by robbing the rest of the world. Of course we don't support imperialism.
Sorry, I don't "try" ideologies. I'm pretty sure this is what CombatLiberalism meant by "channel flippers".Try Anarchism!!
Calling China one big sweatshop is very ignorant, when in fact sweatshops probably make up less than 1% of China's industry. The workers in China have way more rights than in many other countries, and it would take me a milisecond to pick China as a place to live if I had to choose between Asian countries.
That's a MANIFESTO, or something you wrote in five minutes between heating up a microwaveable vegetarian burrito?
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Absolutely. Let us remember for a moment, what Marx on this issue :
"The Koran and the Mussulman legislation emanating from it reduce the geography and ethnography of the various people to the simple and convenient distinction of two nations and of two countries; those of the Faithful and of the Infidels. The Infidel is the enemy. Islamism proscribes the nation of the Infidels, constituting a state of permanent hostility between the Mussulman and the unbeliever. In that sense the corsair ships of the Berber States were the holy fleet of Islam."
('On the History of the Eastern Question', in New York Daily Tribune, April 15, 1854.)
Pertinent views given the situation currently.
The right wing media up here has been making claims like "Layton supports the taliban" for some time now. The Toronto Sun is particularly bad as they target the least educaded elements of Canadian society and fill their minds with Harper praising propaganda written at a second grade level. I staunchly oppose the war in afghanistan, and I oppose the Taliban, along with the vast majority of the Afghan people. The solution? arm the resistance, and imf there is to be a civil war, let it be so, it is better than foriegn occupation that fuels hatred of all things secular. We would do better to arm leftist groups in Afghanistan, and perhaps if it comes to it form international brigades than to send soldiers under the maple leaf flag in. Canada's involvement in Afghanistan has been trumped up in the past year by PM Steven Hitler to kiss ass to his american chums and apologize for the fact that he cant jump into Iraq. It is not a peacekeeping mission, it is an act of war which see's many innocent Afghani's killed by Canadian bullets. We need to pull right the fuck out of the war on terror. Does this mean I like the Taliban? fuck no, but its not my bloody problem. We should deal with the fundamentalists in power of Kanada, not Khandaher. The Afghani people are capable of solving their own problems, any other view is Paternalistic national chauvanism. Fuck the White Mans Burden.
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A few articles from 2001 about the Taliban make interesting reading. These were written after the destruction of the Buddhas, but before 9/11.
First from NY Times - an interview of the Taliban envoy who visited the US in 2001 and met with the US goverment and spoke at universities etc. Interesting facts about the destruction of the Buddhas - they were initially protected by the Taliban and people were punished for seeking to destroy them... read for full story - note particularly the last sentences.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/19/world/19...f60adde&ei=5070
Another insight is from a Jason Burke, an extract copied below.
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v23/n06/burk01_.html
The key point is that, for many in Afghanistan, the Taliban are a great improvement on what went before. An Amnesty Report covering the (pre-Taliban) period from 1992 to 1994 was entitled 'Women in Afghanistan: A Human Rights Catastrophe'. For those who find it difficult to understand why there should be any sympathy for the Taliban the report makes challenging reading. Over that period, it says,
armed groups massacred defenceless women in their homes, or have brutally beaten and raped them. Scores of young women have been abducted and raped, taken as wives by commanders or sold into prostitution . . . Scores of women have . . . 'disappeared' and several have been stoned to death . . . The perpetrators are the main Mujahideen groups . . . As territory changes hands after long battles, an entire local population can be subjected to violent retaliatory punishments. The conquerors often celebrate by killing and raping women and looting property.
These days, rape - at least by strangers and soldiers - is relatively rare in Taliban-controlled areas. So is the widespread theft and abduction referred to in the report. The Taliban soldiers are on the whole well-behaved. Wrong-doers in the ranks are punished, often savagely, which wasn't the case among the Mujahideen groups who preceded them. In much of the country the dismal security situation has been turned round. There is a system of justice and rudimentary policing which, whatever its manifest flaws, does function. I once asked the owner of a roadside tea stall near the eastern town of Ghazni what he felt about the Taliban. 'Now you could leave a bar of gold in the street overnight and it would be safe,' he said.
The idea that the Taliban are a universally hated military regime ruling through fear and violence simply doesn't hold up. The occasional revolts are mostly to do with conscription, which is very unpopular. The repressive edicts that so outrage the West have long been the practice in most of rural Afghanistan, where 80 per cent of the population live. In the rural regions around the western city of Herat a year before the Taliban took control, there were, according to Save the Children UK, nearly 75,000 boys at school and fewer than 2000 girls. In the Afghan countryside women have never gone to school, left the village unaccompanied or chosen their husbands. There is no need to ban television - there aren't any sets. The 1994 Amnesty Report also says that 'women have been prevented from exercising several of their fundamental rights . . . to association, of expression and employment - by Mujahideen groups who consider such activities to be un-Islamic.' So you couldn't really say that the Taliban are innovators.
And finally a page which links to many stories about the destruction of the Buddhas:
http://www.asiasource.org/news/at_mp...m?newsid=46971
Your not a true Leftist if you side, and work with spectral fascists, I.e. the taliban and other islamist/terrorist groups!
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No one is suggesting to work with the Taliban. What I'm saying is that attacks against occupation soldiers is justified. The US army is far worse than the Taliban, (Afghanistan has a very conservative culture with or without the Taliban) which is why I support attacks that kill and maim the imperialists.
Everyday Afghans are being killed from soldiers and the resistance. The insurgents/terrorists that kill civilians are of course guilty of their actions. But it was the invasion that gave the insurgents an oppurtunity to kill. Therefore the occupation forces are ultimately responsible for the chaos in Afghanistan.
Comrade marcel, a clarification please: Kanada is stolen native land, yet can we not say the same about 'New France", as you called it, also known as Quebec?
Bob Rae does not want the troops home as Layton does.
Rae is on the "stay the course" bandwagon
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-Louise Michel
Absolutely. That's why First Nations liberation comes first, and Quebecois second. It is the job of Quebecois socialists to make sure their national liberation isn't a continuation of colonialism and isn't chauvisnistic and xenophobic.
Anglo-Kanadians should really just keep their filthy noses out of First Nations and Quebec sovereignty all-together IMO.
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U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said Monday that the Afghan war against Taliban guerrillas can never be won militarily and urged support for efforts to bring "people who call themselves Taliban" and their allies into the government.
The Tennessee Republican said he learned from briefings that Taliban fighters were too numerous and had too much popular support to be defeated on the battlefield.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061002/ap_on_...ghanistan_frist
Things heating up in Afghanistan?
Two U.S. Soldiers and an Afghan soldier were killed and three U.S. Soldiers were wounded during fighting with enemy combatants in the Pech District of Kunar Province on the evening of Oct. 2.
http://www.centcom.mil/sites/uscentcom1/Li...0Reports%2Easpx
Fella', you lack the fundamental political sense to be able to understand my -- and every other partisan of the working classes -- position, as your posts in this thread amply demonstrate. As it happens, I've already stated my position twice and I see no reason to type it out for a third time in order to try and make up for your political inadequacies.
You support their position on the working class in Imperialist Nations, right? And the logical end-point of that position, as shown by the example I gave, is to act as scabs.
So, either you lack the logical abilities to follow through on your theoretical positions, or you're lying in the quote directly above. The formers probably more accurate....as I said earlier, you lack any fundamental political sense. The fundamental political sense of a working class communist, that is.
What the fuck is this shit? <_<
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