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    but i will admit thar castro improved some things like giving rights to blacks and better education. but if you look at the revolution, it is look like it has done more bad than good.
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    The real test of the Cuban Revolution will be when Fidel retires/dies. Recall that when Stalin died, the first small steps were taken in the Soviet Union that eventually led to the restoration of capitalism. Likewise in China, when Mao died.

    The problem is, obviously, the essential frailness of what purports to be "communism" in ANY country where the urban working class is, in fact, a tiny minority of the population. The whole idea of communist revolution was (correctly, in my view) predicated on the assumption that it would ONLY take place in the most advanced capitalist countries.

    Trying to get around this leads to major difficulties. A revolution in a predominately agricultural country may certainly employ communist rhetoric; but its real class character does not change so easily, and tends to re-surface when the charasmatic "great leader" passes from the scene.

    Stalin and Mao stayed in power long enough to get industrialization well under way (it didn't hurt that their respective countries were large and rich enough to do it). The emergence of openly capitalist economies could have been (and SHOULD have been) predicted.

    From a class standpoint, what SHOULD happen in Cuba after Fidel is the more or less rapid restoration of pre-revolutionary conditions; Cuba as a U.S. dependency, the restoration of the great plantations, the emergence of slavish dictator-types like Batista, etc.

    Yet, one cannot underestimate the (temporary) effects of "accidents" in history. If a new generation of dedicated communists emerges in Cuba (always a possibility), Cuba might well continue to "hold out". And should it happen that Cuba holds out long enough (another 50 years?), there arises the possibility of a communist revolution where they're "supposed" to happen--England, or France, or Germany. Suddenly Cuba would have a real friend with real clout...and then you could finally say with probable certainty, the Cuban Revolution has been victorious.

    My personal feeling is that however things turn out, the Cubans have written a magnificant page in the struggle against capitalist tyranny. Remember, Athens was defeated by Rome--but who is remembered with admiration as the birthplace of freedom and who is despised as the archtype of imperial tyranny?!
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    The revolution was definitely worth it. Communism at it's best. I wouldn't want it any other way. Free healthcare, education, roof over their heads and food in their stomachs. What more can they ask for? Homelessness, unemployment, increasing crime???
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    the cuban revolution was definetely worth it. You listed yourself all the good that has come of it. Cuba is a better place without the americans screwing them. Bastita (spelling) was very bad and Castro in my opinion has done well
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    Here is a seriously great article on Cuba, Che and Fidel, and the cuban revolution.
    fuckin amazing article really
    http://www.newyouth.com/archives/theory/fa..._che_castro.asp

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    what would of become of Cuba if the mafia had taken over all those years ago instead of fidel?
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    I'm just glad that my country (Canada) helped out with the Cuban economy. Even though we are industrialised, and somewhat neutral (between-right-and left) politically, Castro was extremely happy that a country close to the US would give so much to him and his people, regardless of politics.
    Castro is seen as a honoured revolutionary/ guest in my country. He has sat in parlament and given speaches to our prime-minister and to the house. Everyone listen to Castro when he speaks....there is no booing....everyone welcomes him. Personally, i think Castro is a "good-guy"...and I see Bush and the US GOVN'T as vehicles of greed, oppression, and destruction.

    just to rehash: I am a die hard socialist.



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    Você deveria perguntar a um cubano, mas eu vou adiantar uma possível resposta: Cuba tem pontos positivos e negativos, como todos os outros governos do mundo, sejam eles comunistas ou capitalistas. Cuba não sofre com problemas crônicos que assolam todos os países capitalistas do 3º mundo, como altos indices de mortalidade infantil e desemprego, moradores de rua, hospitais em péssimas condições. Em Cuba não há grandes disputas de classes, ricos e miseraveis. Mas em compensação todo o povo é pobre, e vive sem o mínimo conforto. Porém o saldo da Revolução é positivo.
    And finally we can say that the revolution worthed it.
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    The Cuban Revolution was worth it. Because of the Cuban revolution, everyone in Cuba is fed, Cuba has a 96% litteracy rate, and everyone has free healthcare. Cuba prooves that profit driven societies are far inferior to socialist ones. It is an example for the rest of the world. With its tiny amount resources (due to the trade embargo), Cuba has been able to sustain itself without famine and without disease. Capitalist try and hide the fact that Cuba works so well by signifacently limiting its trade. Without the embargo, many people in all countrys would want there own country to be like Cuba. Though I dont live there, I strongly beleive that Cuba became a better country after the fall of Batista.

    I get tired of hearing people critisizing the Cuban Govenment. The Cuban government does Not Try and Exploit its people. Instead, the government assist the citizens of Cuba as much as possible. Cuba needs a government! To say otherwise is pure stupidity.

    And there are the critisisms about Castro. Fidel is one of the greatest men that ever lived, if not the greatest. He was a huge help in the overthrow of Batista (though it could have been done without him). Ive been noticing the foolish argument from rightist claiming that "Castro is a bad leader because he killed his own people." Of course he did! It was a revolution. When revolutions happen people die. Get over it and quit your whineing!

    So I guess Im in agreement with everyone here. The Cuban Revolution was 100% worth it.
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    Quote: from Cobra on 11:51 pm on Oct. 12, 2002
    The Cuban Revolution was worth it. Because of the Cuban revolution, everyone in Cuba is fed, Cuba has a 96% litteracy rate, and everyone has free healthcare. Cuba prooves that profit driven societies are far inferior to socialist ones. It is an example for the rest of the world. With its tiny amount resources (due to the trade embargo), Cuba has been able to sustain itself without famine and without disease. Capitalist try and hide the fact that Cuba works so well by signifacently limiting its trade. Without the embargo, many people in all countrys would want there own country to be like Cuba. Though I dont live there, I strongly beleive that Cuba became a better country after the fall of Batista.

    I get tired of hearing people critisizing the Cuban Govenment. The Cuban government does Not Try and Exploit its people. Instead, the government assist the citizens of Cuba as much as possible. Cuba needs a government! To say otherwise is pure stupidity.

    And there are the critisisms about Castro. Fidel is one of the greatest men that ever lived, if not the greatest. He was a huge help in the overthrow of Batista (though it could have been done without him). Ive been noticing the foolish argument from rightist claiming that "Castro is a bad leader because he killed his own people." Of course he did! It was a revolution. When revolutions happen people die. Get over it and quit your whineing!

    So I guess Im in agreement with everyone here. The Cuban Revolution was 100% worth it.

    I don't think that it is the people he killed during the revolution but the 550 or so people he killed afterwords when he held the trials. Castro WAS a good leader. he has since become corrupted like every other leader that has stayed in power for too long. Just like Sadam, when someone says something he doesn't like, bye bye. Plus there is no free media in Cuba because he thinks it is dangerous. If he is soo grand, what would the people have to fear of him if he allowed free media.

    So in response to your statement, was Castro a good leader? yes, he was a fantastic leader and one whom history will never forget however he has been in power for over 40 years. no man can hold on to power for that long and use it wisely. any man can face a time of crisis but if you really want to test a man's character, give him power. Castro was given power, he used it well for 10 years or so but after a while his morals and principles slipped and like so many others, he became very corrupt. If you ask me if I think the revolution was worth it then i say so by all means. Both the left and the right hated Batista. He ran the country like a gangster. Batista ranks among the worst leaders in the world's history along with Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Regan, Johnson, and others. Of course the revolution was worth it. Any cuban lives better now than under Batista. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either ignorant or just flat out evil.

    (Edited by man in the red suit at 9:38 am on Oct. 13, 2002)
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    Thank god for Castro and socialist Cuba!
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    In my Opinion Fidel Castro is doing a wonderful job in running Cuba as a communism country .. sure alot of peopel disgree. but hey .. Fidel is one of the peopel that is not gettign aid form no body and there own peopel are cultivating there own food and working hrd and being united! and another thing.. The U.S is never goign tot ry to take over Cuba no more.. IF they try it.. once more.. The Russians are going to stop the U.S The soviets are still on Castros side.. Fidel is running how he can .. 35 YEARS IN THE RUNNING OF A COMMUNIST LEADER.. FIDEL...
    Bill Clinton you tell me that Cuba is a island with no life and peopel dieng in hunger.. and with no future.. well elt me tell you something.. I bet if i go to the UNited States ill find Peasants int he streets with Drugs,Hiv,and with no future.. You come
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    There are a bunch of pedejitos @ www.123cuba.com who get SOOO pissed at anything even close to praise for Fidel! Try it & watch the Miami monolith attack you!
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    I will always remember the feelings I carried with me as a child in respect to Fidel Castro. Not knowing the man, who he was or what he was about, my powers of intuition reflected strongly toward Castro.

    For me, Castro represents the fate of a man's deep desires and the penalty that was placed upon him by the opposing forces as a lesson for others should they seek to follow in Cuba's example.

    Che may have been the mastermind behind the Cuban revolution yet Fidel Castro was it's heart.

    Had Che gained proficientcy in the knowledge of the Marxist theories in economics who knows what would be today.

    "Fidel Castro embodies the highest attributes of the combatant and statesman; it is to his vision that we owe our voyage, our struggle, and our victory. We cannot say that without him the people would not have triumphed, yet this victory would doubtless have cost more and been less complete."

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    Most of the bad press about Cuba in the US is due to the fact that so much credence is placed on the word of the Pro-Batista Cubans in Miami, FL. People are led to believe that these people were victims of Communism, when what it most likely is, is that they were disloyal to the Socialist cause. They lobby hard to keep the embargo in place. Jeb and his equally stupid brother GW use it for votes. We know, and the US govt. knows that the Cuban Revolution was and is a success. Thats exactly why they want everyone else to view it as a failure. How can they keep this bullshit Capatalist system in place if everyone has a Socialist model to look at and watch.

    People are always pointing out the deaths during the Cuban Revolution. Like the US never killed it's own. During the Revolutionary War how were traitors/deserters handled? How are they handled still? Isn't the penalty for treason here death?
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    This is why a Chicano or a Hispanic can only be called "WHITE" on his birth certificate.

    The Indian will always be called "illegal alien".

    The evil eyes looks far yet it can't predict it's own fate or ending.
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    Quote: from EjercitoFidelista on 3:45 am on Oct. 15, 2002
    In my Opinion Fidel Castro is doing a wonderful job in running Cuba as a communism country .. sure alot of peopel disgree. but hey .. Fidel is one of the peopel that is not gettign aid form no body and there own peopel are cultivating there own food and working hrd and being united! and another thing.. The U.S is never goign tot ry to take over Cuba no more.. IF they try it.. once more.. The Russians are going to stop the U.S The soviets are still on Castros side.. Fidel is running how he can .. 35 YEARS IN THE RUNNING OF A COMMUNIST LEADER.. FIDEL...
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    hmm, I can only wonder what Che was telling the young men before he passed on? hmm.
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    Quote: from hawarameen on 12:18 pm on Aug. 14, 2002
    The press and government make sure we all know when communism fails, its all over the place people have no choice no freedom etc.

    We never hear when communism succeeds because the west, for some reason wants things done their way and any other way is not only wrong but has to be changed.

    America did all it could to halt Fidel Castro and communism but the fact is it has been successful. I dont know much about Cuba but from what I have learnt from comrades here i know i would prefer to live in Cuba rather than America anyday.
    What I find so interesting, is the majority of the attitudes on this forum are anti-american which does not make any sense. so many of us don't believe in nationalism, not because some shmuck told us so yet because we believe and hope in unity among the seven nations as we believe in marriage. one man and seven wives! WoW.

    Where was I, oh...okay I don't get the vibe off this forum it's off balance. If we are not concerned with nationalism and we understand that each continent is as equally important then we must ensure that each continent becomes acceptable, like a bride on her wedding day.

    Fuck what you believe in. We must uphold each continent to its finest. or maybe it isn't your role...yet.
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    Quote: from ireallyhadablackout on 7:01 am on Dec. 24, 2002
    This is why a Chicano or a Hispanic can only be called "WHITE" on his birth certificate.

    The Indian will always be called "illegal alien".

    The evil eyes looks far yet it can't predict it's own fate or ending.
    play this message backwards. it's like devil music. lol.

    good eyes forsee the victory and will die exhaulting the poor. yet if they are already dead, then what?
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    Im not anti American although I am anti american govt. and their bullshit way of life. Meaning Im not racist towards them...

    Not being negative ireallyhadablackout but man you can go on about the smallest thing.
    give us an organisation or revolutionaries and we will overturn capitalism

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