You can believe and practice in your home. But no, socially religion will fail, communist society will be made up of rational people
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I wonder if, despite the denouncement of organized religion in the Manifesto, people would still be allowed to practice? Believe? Gather in worship and/or ritual?
Honestly despite how much I'd like to see a Communist society, no one could stop me from believing and practicing.
You can believe and practice in your home. But no, socially religion will fail, communist society will be made up of rational people
Sure, people should be allowed to believe if they want to (it's not like you could force them not to anyway), but it's very likely that people will have outgrown it so it won't be much of an issue. Finding a fellow worshipper would be like finding a fellow stamp collector today :P
The manifesto says that religon is the opiate of the masses, not faith therfore faith is not irrational but religon is.
<span style=\'color:red\'>Any power must be the enemy of mankind which enslaves the individual by terror and force, whether it arises under a Fascist or Communist flag. All that is valuable in human society depends upon the opportunity for development accorded to the individual.
- Albert Einstein </span>
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Lenin was one of the greatest enemies of Socialism...
Noam Chomsky</span>
What kind of logic is that? Things can be irrational regardless of what it says in some book. If faith isn't rational (which it isn't) then it isn't.
You sound like some brainwashed kid, 'the manifesto' isn't a bible...And i don't get your logic either..
In communist society, I would imagine that most people would already not be too religious simply because humans won't need religion any more / as much.
If they did exist then they wouldn't be hunted down and killed or the such, they would have to keep their beliefs to themselves though.
For sure religion would continue. It's not like we could or should change people's metaphysical viewpoints through coercion, or kill off everybody who believes in God in a massive Holocaust. But for a number of reasons, I expect religion would lose a lot of its influence on people.
Firstly, for any successful communist revolution to happen, people would have to learn that justice needs to be enacted here on earth and that it won't just be handed to us by some magical sky wizard or mysterious "karma" force. Religion and communism don't mix well, because communism is a human-based political philosophy based on taking society into our own hands and enacting our own justice based on our own rules, instead of putting "faith" in some imaginary cosmic justice system and absolute moral laws.
Secondly, a communist society would not tolerate the indoctrination of little children into superstitious nonsense. We recognize that it is a form of child abuse to tell children to worship and obey an imaginary cosmic dictator, so involving children in god-worshipping rituals will not be tolerated. Children are gullible, and religion thrives on that. Once we take away from religions the next generation of supple young minds to prey on, they will have great difficulty propagating themselves. They will have to appeal to adults who have reached the age where they can reason these things out for themselves, and that makes their job much much harder. Try convincing a post-pubescent person that the Tooth Fairy or the Easter Bunny exists; they won't swallow it up unquestioningly like a four-year-old would.
And thirdly, religion is already dying off because of science. A large part of why religions were originally invented was to explain aspects of our world that could not have possibly been understood by pre-scientific peoples. They needed explanations for things like the weather, the diversity of life, celestial bodies, earthquakes, diseases, human consciousness, reproduction, and so forth, so they took wild guesses and put them together into an ideology, usually involving some kind of mega-human(s) with much more power and intelligence than ordinary humans, and of course the power of invisibility, who regularly intervene in our world to produce the various unexplained phenomena. Over the centuries, science has debunked the religious explanations for those things and improved human knowledge through rigorous application of logic and experimentation to our observations of reality. As a result, people need religion less and less to make sense of the world around them. The process is far from complete, and there is no reason to expect the trend to not continue into the future. Eventually, the world's religions will be stripped down to vague philosophical ideas and moral codes, and then as people begin to realize that superior morality and ethics can be achieved democratically within a materialist mindset, there will be no more perceived justification for continuing to adhere to religious ideologies.
Finally, someone with the right idea!
Uhhh...I said we couldn't and shouldn't do that.
Well, religion is based on equality and being good and doing what's right and stuff like that, so when there is a communist society there would be no need for religion because the things that religion came for has been accomplished.
Ofcourse some people would not let go of their beliefs, they will be an out-group to society but they won't be discriminated or any \thing like that. Churchis, mosks or any other religous building will still be there, and some people would still use them, but as time passes, these people will be less and less until these "holy" buildings will just become monuments of the past.
Hasta La Victoria Siempre !
{To go on the right path, one should rid himself of all he believes in and go deep in life objectively and neutral, only then should things be clear}
{Culture your self; only in culture and lots of it, can one identify his path and directions. }
Do not live each day as if it was your last; live it as if was everybody else's last!
Yep, lets sing about how we suck and Jesus rocks, and define those that dont believe our shit as sinners who will burn in an imaginery hole after decent! EQUALITY MY EXTREMIST ASS.
Come on, after singing lets kill off entire races and civilisations of people deemed 'savage' because they dont believe in our shit!
THE KNOWLEDGE OF RIGHT AND WRONG MY EXTREMIST ASS
But with so much done in the realms of science, communist or not, we have reached the point where its no longer needed.
In a society thats communist, we cannot afford them. They become a sepratist group and theyll demand and demand until they get their way and become a seperate part with rights. That will then rust away our dreams of Utiopia and we'll be back in the shit pool we swim in now. Can we allow that? FUCK NO!!!
And if I get my way and others are smart enough, there wont be anything left of them to discriminate
If their still intact from the bomb blasts and bullet holes the revolution will leave in them then theyll be destroyed eventually unless they hold some sort of monumental value. If you think about it, these stupid religions have survived thosands of years, they cannot be stopped with Communism alone because even in Utopia we will have the Stupid. Thats why we throw the first stone and suppress it with extreme prejudice!
"I will be with the people; I will dip my weapons in blood and, crazed with fury, I will cut the throats of my defeated enemies.
I can already feel my dilated nostrils savoring the acrid smell of gunpowder and blood, of death to the enemie,"
"We cannot be sure of having something to live for unless we are willing to die for it."
Che Guevara
"One man with a gun can control 100 without one."
Vladimir Lenin
Religion (or whatever you want to call it) will remain as an individual thing, and, to an extent, return as a social thing. Institutionalised dogma, however, will be destroyed. Churches still own a lot of land, and are, in most places, powerful, and sometimes rich. It is therefore as inevitable that they will be broken by revolution as it is inevitable that a supermarket brand will be. The form of the supermarket, however, may remain.
Post-revolution, I see only those faiths which have successfully connected with people on a rational and personal level remaining. Looser groups like Quakers and Bahà'ìs will come out the strongest, as such faiths rely less on physical churches and institutional instruction.
Religion, being organized dogma's and theologies, will not survive the next few centuries, communism or no. It could certainly transform into spiritual beliefs which can coexist with communism, but with no standardizations of dogma's. God exists only as a metaphor for something which utterly lacks description. when people worship the metaphor as a definate entity who has human traits like anger, hate, wrath, and jealousy, then we have a problem, and that is the problem which religion presents. Jesus was not a christian, Christianity as we know it was invented some 300 years after his death when the bible was slapped together. Jesus said many good things, but the worship of him and God (who is now said to be his father, a laughable claim that a metaphor could personally begat a son) has led to few good things and many bad. Christianity can only survive if it ceases to be a religion and becomes an individual basis, lacking any organization, of a metaphorical look at that which words utterly lack description. But, its an old metaphor, and people now can handle much more theoretical explainations of that same inexplicable phoenominon that is, for lack of a better word, existance in all its implications.
<span style=\'color:red\'>Liberty without Socialism is privilege, injustice; Socialism without Liberty is Slavery and Brutality.
-Mikhail Bakunin</span>
<span style=\'color:gray\'>The assumption that what currently exists must necessarily exist is the acid that corrodes all visionary thinking.
-Murray Bookchin</span>
<span style=\'color:red\'>When we ask for the abolition of the State and its organs we are always told that we dream of a society composed of men better than they are in reality. But no; a thousand times, no. All we ask is that men should not be made worse than they are, by such institutions!
-Peter Kropotkin</span>
I can't wait for you to attempt this idiotic revolution so we can put some bullet holes in your ass. Religon (and I don't even buy in to it) makes infintiely more sense than communism where you Kill everyone with a different point of view. The communists here who possess a brain are going to have to do something about the large group of genocidal maniacs in their midsts if they really want to live in harmony with one another without a state to control the maniacs, and keep the maniacs from obtaining contro which happens all to often under communism.
