Auschwitz Being Renamed

[Janus]

The United Nations has agreed to rename Auschwitz concentration camp to stress that Nazi Germans, not Poles, were responsible for the world's most notorious death camp, Poland's Culture Ministry said on Wednesday.

"Auschwitz Concentration Camp," a U.N. heritage site, will be renamed "the Former Nazi German Concentration Camp of Auschwitz," the ministry said.

Poland wins name change for Auschwitz death camp

[Delta]

People are usually very ignorant of history, so I can see why they would want the name change.

[Si Pinto]

So what??

Judean Peoples Front

Peoples Front of Judea

Evil Nazi Xenophobes

Xenophobic Evil Nazis



Methinks they're trying to take the media interest away from the CIA camps there, or am I just being paranoid?

[Red Polak]

Can't say I see anything wrong with changing the name. Some people really can be quite dim.

[Zero]

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You shouldn't change the name of the fucking place, you should educate the youth and adults of this world enough so that they fucking know what happened there!

[Rigov]

Originally posted by Zero@Jul 14 2006, 06:47 AM
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You shouldn't change the name of the fucking place, you should educate the youth and adults of this world enough so that they fucking know what happened there!

Leaving it as "Auschwitz" makes it seem like its still in use.

[Dyst]

I don't see the point. It's name was Auschwitz and still is Auschwitz.

I have been there, and it's pretty obvious it is no longer functioning.

Who else but people below 10 years or mentally disabled people (and perhaps half the average american population) thinks it is still in use? By the polish?! Haha.

[Black Dagger]

I don't really see why anyone can have a problem with this? There is obviously some support for the idea, what harm does changing the name do?

[Kid_A7]

The problem with changing the name is that, in the rethorical sense, it denies any Polish action there - and that's plain wrong. Though it was naturally Nazi-run, Pole and Ukrainian co-opertarors had a great part in running the camp and the killing of millions.

Changing the name makes it easier for Poland to say "no, wer'e not anti-semic at all!" and that's ignorance and a blunt re-writing of history as well as modern times.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by Kid_A7
Though it was naturally Nazi-run, Pole and Ukrainian co-opertarors had a great part in running the camp and the killing of millions.

Changing the name makes it easier for Poland to say "no, wer'e not anti-semic at all!" and that's ignorance and a blunt re-writing of history as well as modern times.

This is a good point, thank you for sharing it with me

[Red Polak]

Originally posted by Dyst+Jul 14 2006, 02:21 PM--> (Dyst @ Jul 14 2006, 02:21 PM)I don't see the point. It's name was Auschwitz and still is Auschwitz.

I have been there, and it's pretty obvious it is no longer functioning.

Who else but people below 10 years or mentally disabled people (and perhaps half the average american population) thinks it is still in use? By the polish?! Haha.[/b]

That's not the reason for the name change. If you actually read the article they are changing the name because some [evidently extremely dim] people seem to have the impression that it was a "Polish death camp" rather than a "Nazi death camp", which obviously isn't good..

"Warsaw objects to references to "Polish gas chambers" at the "Polish concentration camp" in foreign media. Nearly 3 million non-Jewish Poles died at Nazi hands, and Poles see themselves as victims of the war.

"We hope this will help correct the misconception that Auschwitz is a Polish death camp," Ujazdowski said."

Kid_A7

@Jul 14 2006, 03:35 PM
The problem with changing the name is that, in the rethorical sense, it denies any Polish action there - and that's plain wrong. Though it was naturally Nazi-run, Pole and Ukrainian co-opertarors had a great part in running the camp and the killing of millions.

You know that for the first 2 years or so it was mainly Poles who were killed there?

http://www.auschwitz-muzeum.oswiecim.pl/ht...ytowani_ok.html
http://www.auschwitz-muzeum.oswiecim.pl/ht...c_ofiar_ok.html

Please don't malign the Polish people in the way you have done, many died trying to save the Jews - also, read the originally posted article:
"Poles are the largest group awarded Israel's Righteous Among the Nations title for helping to save Jews."



This isn't in the interest of nationalism but merely historical accuracy.

[Si Pinto]

Originally posted by Red Polak@Jul 14 2006, 03:45 PM
they are changing the name because some [evidently extremely dim] people seem to have the impression that it was a "Polish death camp" rather than a "Nazi death camp"

I'd like to believe that isn't possible but unfortunately I know people who would have misconceptions like that .

If you mention World War II to them they go ......"oh wow....mac or pc".

Look at David Beckham for gods sake, happily walking around in a t-shirt with Adolf Eichmann on the front because he thought it was a fashion item. <_<

[Red Polak]

Originally posted by Si Pinto+Jul 14 2006, 04:59 PM--> (Si Pinto @ Jul 14 2006, 04:59 PM)

Red Polak

@Jul 14 2006, 03:45 PM
they are changing the name because some [evidently extremely dim] people seem to have the impression that it was a "Polish death camp" rather than a "Nazi death camp"

I&#39;d like to believe that isn&#39;t possible but unfortunately I know people who would have misconceptions like that .

If you mention World War II to them they go ......"oh wow....mac or pc".

Look at David Beckham for gods sake, happily walking around in a t-shirt with Adolf Eichmann on the front because he thought it was a fashion item. <_< [/b]

he did that?&#33;

I don&#39;t remember seeing it all over the tabloids like with Harry.

[Demogorgon]

It&#39;s prety pointless to be honest, but not particularly harmful either.

I really do not see what good it is supposed to do though. if people asre ignorant enough to think that because it is in Poland, the Polish were responsible for it, surely they are stupid enough to think the Polish were in with the Nazis?

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by Red Polak
Please don&#39;t malign the Polish people in the way you have done, many died trying to save the Jews -

Why not? Are you suggesting that Poles did not participate in the holocaust? That is all he is saying.

[Red Polak]

Originally posted by Black Dagger+Jul 14 2006, 06:41 PM--> (Black Dagger @ Jul 14 2006, 06:41 PM)

Red Polak

Please don&#39;t malign the Polish people in the way you have done, many died trying to save the Jews -

Why not? Are you suggesting that Poles did not participate in the holocaust? That is all he is saying. [/b]

not to the extent which he&#39;s seems to be suggesting.

[Freigemachten]

Originally posted by Rigov+Jul 14 2006, 08:27 AM--> (Rigov @ Jul 14 2006, 08:27 AM)

Zero

@Jul 14 2006, 06:47 AM
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You shouldn&#39;t change the name of the fucking place, you should educate the youth and adults of this world enough so that they fucking know what happened there&#33;

Leaving it as "Auschwitz" makes it seem like its still in use. [/b]

That is just about dumb. It takes a brand of stupid that I have never seen to assume that talking about Auschwitz as Auschwitz would imply it still runs, considering any one who would know what it was used for would know what it was all about, meaning they would probably know that Hitler was dead (if not from suicide then by old age at this point) and odds are they probably know a Jewish or Slavic person, so they might assume that the persecution (to the extent under Nazi Germany) has ceased. So, if one were willing to ignore all that, then yes, one might assume that the most notorious deathcamp ever was still in use.

[Si Pinto]

Originally posted by Red Polak@Jul 14 2006, 04:06 PM
he did that?&#33;

I don&#39;t remember seeing it all over the tabloids like with Harry.

Yeah he did it

It was sent to him by a prankster masquerading as a fashion guru.....and Beckham wore it....he was quickly told by the people around him who it was and that he probably shouldn&#39;t be wearing it

Bit late by then

[Goatse]

A good idea, but it&#39;s kinda sad that people are so ignorant that&#39;s it&#39;s come to doing this.

[socialistpunk]

Im sorry but i think it is nessasary to re-name the concentration camp. I went there on an exchange to poland it really hit me. I agree we need to educate the youth and population of the world about the place. This name change seems to me to be a way of putting the blame on those who deserve it.