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This girl I know and work with made a comment about "wetbacks" the thing is she is hald mexican and half ecuadorian. On her My Space page she wrote.
"Im half mexican and half ecuadorian but sometimes i forget the mexican part because of stupid beaners and how retarded some wetbacks can be."
I called her out on it. But heres my flaw. I get heated really fast and I can't never make any valid points. and just go off on rants and probably dont make sense.
I told her why does she use a term made up by racist americans to down talk immigrants who seek work due to the fucked up foreign policies, fucked up goverments and economies in latin america? She said something along the lines of, "well they are wetbacks some of them! they dont speak english and just the way they talk, the way the look, its embarassing" I told her. what makes you better than them? That you were born here? that you have a cell phone? name brand clothes and sneakers? Is that what makes you better than them? your light skin and brown hair makes you more attractive?
She got really upset and started going off on me and I told her it's ok. I wasn't mad at her but she shouldn't judge her own people. I also let her know, that she felt this way because her friends and where she lives and goes to school. basically all up scale white kids and neighborhoods. Her mother is Mexican and she re-married a rich white guy who is a general contractor. and she always tell me how her mom is her heroe because she tells her "marry a rich white guy"
we need more revolutions and less "isms"
A self hating mexican? Its not that uncommon I guess.
Its hardly worth your time either though I mean really. She doesn't sound like she has a very high IQ. Not to mention the fact that both Ecudorians and Mexicans are part of the mestizo race. So in a way she's full mestizo. She's just a moron.
"Idealists foolish enough to throw caution to the winds have advanced mankind and have enriched the world.
"The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue. "
-Emma Goldman
well she has light skin and light brown hair. I can see why she thinks "they are ugly" because they look indegous. give me a fucking break! ya know? I hate that mentality. someone automatically is label ugly, un attactive because they dont have a light complexion and green eyes.
there's nothing Mexican or Ecuadorian about her though. she just uses the titles to claim being Latina. you know? some kids specially in high school and in their teens like to be something else. because it's "un-cool to be white" But she is no real Latina if she looks down at her own people. then again she now lives in an upscare white neighborhood so ofcourse in her mind she is cool, she lives normal, and what not. and the poor mexicans who are "ugly" are wetbacks and embarassing.
we need more revolutions and less "isms"
Why are you wasting time with someone like this? She's obviously a moron.
"Idealists foolish enough to throw caution to the winds have advanced mankind and have enriched the world.
"The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue. "
-Emma Goldman
because she is also only 16 and impositive she knows no better. I was 16 once and I wasn't a bright cookie
we need more revolutions and less "isms"
self-hating mexicans? hah, ever heard of rosanna pulido?
well, this young women has clear problems, maybe you can ask her to read a book or something, there is plenty of good literature by chicanas and mexicanas that might open her eyes a tad, and if you present it in the form of a gift offer, she might just accept.
personally, speaking as a self-righteous spic (re: arsonists) i think its important to carry out positive struggle with chicas like that. she can either do damage to latinas or she can grow conscious of her heritage and our peoples place in society and the need to stand together.
and p.s. if you pm me her myspace, ill chat with her. it isnt hard to start some conversation without mentioning you since she has those slurs on her myspace
I don't really like labling people as "self-hating" because it effectively uses their ethnicity as part of the (potentially justified) insult. It also presumes that because someone is a member of a certain ethnic group, or whatever, that they ought to to hold a particular political opinion moreso than if they were not. The most common obnoxious use of this is for "self-hating" jews, meaning either anti-zionist jews or people with jewish ancestory who don't identify with judiasm; which is quiet patronizing either way. It also attributes a specific psychological character to their prejudice that wouldn't be attributed if they were from a dfferent ethnicity...which in of itself appeals to an ethnic sterotype.
I'm not sure that its even accurate to say she's 'self-hating', she's prejucided against mexican immigrants and she is not an immigrant, and besides, she said some of them not all of them...she's not 'self-hating' she hates other people :-p.
Obviously i'm not suggesting this as a defense of someone who is clearly a racist fuck, rather that i think its politically problematic to put it in those terms.
Uh, not all of them...and its not like people don't have particular nationalist prejudices apart from racist ones.
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the saddest thing to me. is when a person is rich in culture, like their family, their hertige is all there and they recrut to pop culture instead of their REAL culture. they know nothing of. and feel ashamed and embarassed that.. "their parents look indigeous, or they cant speak english, or because they work washing dishes or cleaning houses."
i would like to open up the eyes of these people. and let them know that just because America says this is cool and this is it. it dont mean is true.
some teens dont see the clear picture. they are so caught up with trends and shit that they forget where they come from and who they are.
we need more revolutions and less "isms"
Should have called her a cracker.
It was kind of wierd you called gave the title "wetbacks". Something more appropriate that was closer to the topic may have been more suitable.
The spiritual atom bomb which the revolutionary people possess is a far more powerful and useful weapon than the physical atom bomb. - Lin Biao
Our code of morals is our revolution. What saves our revolution, what helps our revolution, what protects our revolution is right, is very right and very honourable and very noble and very beautiful, because our revolution means justice
- Dr. George Habash, founder of the PFLP.
actually, the 'self-hating' jew concept isnt more prominent- it only is amongst whites. but in the african diaspora and in africa, much has been written and discussed on 'self-hating Blacks' and internalized racism and colonialism. its a huge field of study, actually, and frantz fanon, web dubois, and amilcar cabral are great starting points for people interested in it. many other groups have discussed it internally as well, and many racial, ethnic or class groups have terms for it: in class terms like scab and fink are among the class traitor terms used by workers. desis and filipinos use expressions at each other, including nri, fob and others. Blacks use more known terms like oreo, fig newton and others, and i personally love the term creamsicle (rosanna pulido /cough /cough) for Latinos.
but i think that the terms in this thread are correct. there are people who could be indentified as 'self-hating' bcuz of class or gender issues, and the same goes for race and ethnoracial categories, at least as much.
What does "wetback" mean?
It means mexican. Not sure if it means a spanish person also. Its an insulting word but I'm not sure if its origins. But then again I also have no idea where "cracker" comes from either.
"Idealists foolish enough to throw caution to the winds have advanced mankind and have enriched the world.
"The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue. "
-Emma Goldman
'wetback' means an illegal immigrant because supposedly they would get 'we backs' from crossing the Rio Grande. It has the same connotation as the n-word.
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--Lenin
Socialist Party (Debs Tendency)
wetback origin stories are usually about either farm labor that causes sweat bcuz of the sun on the back, or more often relate to crossing the border thru rivers and such to get to the usa. cracker comes from "crack the whip", meaning slave master. those are off the top of my head, but im sure a quick internet search would prove those to be the most credited theories
I see.
Could this be a kind of parallel to black people calling each other "nigga"? Maybe she is just 'reclaiming' the word.
I don't know her but I would guess not looking at the context. I don't hear many black people (or any for that matter) saying 'I don't usually say I'm black because of those ignorant niggas'.
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No, i think the word "retarded" gives that away.
The spiritual atom bomb which the revolutionary people possess is a far more powerful and useful weapon than the physical atom bomb. - Lin Biao
Our code of morals is our revolution. What saves our revolution, what helps our revolution, what protects our revolution is right, is very right and very honourable and very noble and very beautiful, because our revolution means justice
- Dr. George Habash, founder of the PFLP.
I once knew a Latin American guy who hade a serious problem with self-hate racism. The guy was actually an immigrant from Mexico, but when he came to the United States, he picked up an imperialist outlook of his own people.
I remember one day, he rolled down the window of my car, leaned out, and shouted "SPIC!" at a Latin American man who was mowing a persons lawn.
Black people who have this sort of outlook are often called "house negros" because the Black people associated with this sort of outlook were the slaves who lived in the house with the slave master. They loved their masters and hated the other slaves. When the other slaves would try to convince them to run away with them, they would reject the other slaves and say "why would I want to run away? I have everything I want! I love the master."
Anyway, I think self-hate racism in the context of oppressed nationalities is very different than "self-hating white people" or "self-hating hating Jews," as neither of the later two are opppressed nationalities. I have been told I am "racist" against white people on more than one occassion. frankly, to both be a white guy and at the same time be told that flatters me.
She sounds pathetic and ignorant bro...a Latina who looks down or despises ppl on account of their manners or appearance, and only 16...she's severely brainwashed
Like someone said, don't waste your time with her
However, b4 u dump her sorry 16yr-old ass, teach her a lesson in respect and tolerance
That type of attitude is quite common in this country, especially in well-to-do neighborhoods inhabited by Latinos
I see it where I live...most Latino's are ashamed of being themselves, speaking Spanish, or being seen with their parents for fear of rejection by their friends
These vendidos (sell outs) believe that the normal or accepted culture is the American culture, and anyother lifestyle, specifically the Latino culture, is inferior
This cultural outlook is perpetuated by the media, society, and the educational system which make it their goal to mold and shape ppl's lives and culture to what is established
Any differences are looked upon as inferior or ridiculous....just terrible
I've also experienced this type of racism by members of my own race
To be exact, lighter or Latino's with European features discriminate against Latino's who appear more indigenous
Its quite common in Argentina
I've been present when light skinned Argentinians with Italian or European surnames look down on Mexicans or Guatemalans who appear more indigenous or native
This is what led to the purges of Mayan ppl by the army during the Guatemalan civil war
Its happened to me quite a bit, seein how Im dark skinned and have Mayan blood
Its sad really, they discriminate based on the appearance of a person, when its themselves who are ignorant and stupid
Making judgements on physical attributes, rather than on the personality of a human, typical of intolerant America
Cultural intolerance is what leads to xenophobia and racism
That's why u see some Latino members of the Minute Men
Sad really
If I were u bro (RPAS), I wouldn't tolerate this type of ignorance, dump her sorry ass :angry:
But b4 that, teach her a lesson!
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