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    On Saturday 8 July the ICC will be holding a public meeting in London (2pm, Conway Hall, Red Lion Square, Holborn, WC1). The meeting will be on the war in Spain, which began 70 years ago, with Franco’s attempted coup on July 19 1936.

    We have advertised the meeting in our paper World Revolution as ‘Spain 1936-37: the Italian communist left and the Friends of Durruti’.

    We will start by presenting the analysis made by the Italian communist left of the events of July 1936, which can be summarised as follows: the Francoist putsch was countered by the working class, fighting with its own methods: mass strike, fraternisation with the troops, self-arming of the workers. But this initial proletarian response was very quickly diverted from its logical goal of insurrection against the bourgeois state towards a struggle in defence of the Popular Front; and, in a global context of growing military conflicts, the ‘civil’ war in Spain was rapidly transformed into an inter-imperialist war, a dress rehearsal for the second world massacre.

    Against the mobilisation of the working class on this terrain, the Italian left refused to support the Republic and called for class struggle against both camps. In this they were extremely (though not totally) isolated, because the majority of those who called themselves revolutionaries came out in one way or another with the position of ‘fight fascism first, then deal with the Republic’ – in short, with a more or less open support for the Republic. This famously included the CNT in Spain, which sent ministers into the Republican state.

    We will then focus on the events of May 1937 and the Friends of Durruti group. For the Italian left, the strikes and barricades ‘behind the lines’ in Barcelona in May 37 were a striking confirmation of its analysis: the working class had returned to its own methods of struggle against the whole of the Popular Front regime. The Friends of Durruti group, which had emerged from within the CNT as a working class reaction to the official betrayals, attempted to live up to the responsibilities of a revolutionary organisation during these events. The Friends of Durruti was a genuine expression of the wider revolutionary aspirations which had come to the surface in July 1936 and which made their last stand in May 1937. At the same time it was unable to make a complete break from the CNT and anarchist ideology, which prevented it from drawing all the necessary conclusions from this experience.

    We think that this meeting provides an opportunity to hold a constructive debate about the lessons of these historic events. We naturally encourage all our contacts and sympathisers to attend, and at the same time invite those less familiar with, or even highly critical of, left communist positions to come along and put forward their views. We will ensure maximum time for discussion and for the presentation of alternative interpretations of the war and the role of the Friends of Durruti group. .

    Contacts and readers of our press who are unable to attend the meeting are invited to send e-mails or letters dealing with the subject of the forum. These will be read out and discussed at the meeting.

    We encourage participants on these forums to respond to this invitation, both by making responses on this thread and by coming to the meeting. Again, we will read out and discuss contributions to the meeting posted on this thread by those who are unable to come to the meeting to put forward their views in person.
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    On Saturday 8 July the ICC will be holding a public meeting in London (2pm, Conway Hall, Red Lion Square, Holborn, WC1). The meeting will be on the war in Spain, which began 70 years ago, with Franco’s attempted coup on July 19 1936.

    We have advertised the meeting in our paper World Revolution as ‘Spain 1936-37: the Italian communist left and the Friends of Durruti’.

    We will start by presenting the analysis made by the Italian communist left of the events of July 1936, which can be summarised as follows: the Francoist putsch was countered by the working class, fighting with its own methods: mass strike, fraternisation with the troops, self-arming of the workers. But this initial proletarian response was very quickly diverted from its logical goal of insurrection against the bourgeois state towards a struggle in defence of the Popular Front; and, in a global context of growing military conflicts, the ‘civil’ war in Spain was rapidly transformed into an inter-imperialist war, a dress rehearsal for the second world massacre.

    Against the mobilisation of the working class on this terrain, the Italian left refused to support the Republic and called for class struggle against both camps. In this they were extremely (though not totally) isolated, because the majority of those who called themselves revolutionaries came out in one way or another with the position of ‘fight fascism first, then deal with the Republic’ – in short, with a more or less open support for the Republic. This famously included the CNT in Spain, which sent ministers into the Republican state.

    We will then focus on the events of May 1937 and the Friends of Durruti group. For the Italian left, the strikes and barricades ‘behind the lines’ in Barcelona in May 37 were a striking confirmation of its analysis: the working class had returned to its own methods of struggle against the whole of the Popular Front regime. The Friends of Durruti group, which had emerged from within the CNT as a working class reaction to the official betrayals, attempted to live up to the responsibilities of a revolutionary organisation during these events. The Friends of Durruti was a genuine expression of the wider revolutionary aspirations which had come to the surface in July 1936 and which made their last stand in May 1937. At the same time it was unable to make a complete break from the CNT and anarchist ideology, which prevented it from drawing all the necessary conclusions from this experience.

    We think that this meeting provides an opportunity to hold a constructive debate about the lessons of these historic events. We naturally encourage all our contacts and sympathisers to attend, and at the same time invite those less familiar with, or even highly critical of, left communist positions to come along and put forward their views. We will ensure maximum time for discussion and for the presentation of alternative interpretations of the war and the role of the Friends of Durruti group. .

    Contacts and readers of our press who are unable to attend the meeting are invited to send e-mails or letters dealing with the subject of the forum. These will be read out and discussed at the meeting.

    We encourage participants on these forums to respond to this invitation, both by making responses on this thread and by coming to the meeting. Again, we will read out and discuss contributions to the meeting posted on this thread by those who are unable to come to the meeting to put forward their views in person.
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    On Saturday 8 July the ICC will be holding a public meeting in London (2pm, Conway Hall, Red Lion Square, Holborn, WC1). The meeting will be on the war in Spain, which began 70 years ago, with Franco’s attempted coup on July 19 1936.

    We have advertised the meeting in our paper World Revolution as ‘Spain 1936-37: the Italian communist left and the Friends of Durruti’.

    We will start by presenting the analysis made by the Italian communist left of the events of July 1936, which can be summarised as follows: the Francoist putsch was countered by the working class, fighting with its own methods: mass strike, fraternisation with the troops, self-arming of the workers. But this initial proletarian response was very quickly diverted from its logical goal of insurrection against the bourgeois state towards a struggle in defence of the Popular Front; and, in a global context of growing military conflicts, the ‘civil’ war in Spain was rapidly transformed into an inter-imperialist war, a dress rehearsal for the second world massacre.

    Against the mobilisation of the working class on this terrain, the Italian left refused to support the Republic and called for class struggle against both camps. In this they were extremely (though not totally) isolated, because the majority of those who called themselves revolutionaries came out in one way or another with the position of ‘fight fascism first, then deal with the Republic’ – in short, with a more or less open support for the Republic. This famously included the CNT in Spain, which sent ministers into the Republican state.

    We will then focus on the events of May 1937 and the Friends of Durruti group. For the Italian left, the strikes and barricades ‘behind the lines’ in Barcelona in May 37 were a striking confirmation of its analysis: the working class had returned to its own methods of struggle against the whole of the Popular Front regime. The Friends of Durruti group, which had emerged from within the CNT as a working class reaction to the official betrayals, attempted to live up to the responsibilities of a revolutionary organisation during these events. The Friends of Durruti was a genuine expression of the wider revolutionary aspirations which had come to the surface in July 1936 and which made their last stand in May 1937. At the same time it was unable to make a complete break from the CNT and anarchist ideology, which prevented it from drawing all the necessary conclusions from this experience.

    We think that this meeting provides an opportunity to hold a constructive debate about the lessons of these historic events. We naturally encourage all our contacts and sympathisers to attend, and at the same time invite those less familiar with, or even highly critical of, left communist positions to come along and put forward their views. We will ensure maximum time for discussion and for the presentation of alternative interpretations of the war and the role of the Friends of Durruti group. .

    Contacts and readers of our press who are unable to attend the meeting are invited to send e-mails or letters dealing with the subject of the forum. These will be read out and discussed at the meeting.

    We encourage participants on these forums to respond to this invitation, both by making responses on this thread and by coming to the meeting. Again, we will read out and discuss contributions to the meeting posted on this thread by those who are unable to come to the meeting to put forward their views in person.
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    I think one of the three of the biggest lessons anarchists can learn from these events is

    1) Establish your collectives really fast

    2) Don't disillusion people by condeming religion too much

    and most importantly

    3) Don't ally with the leninists in a revolution ever again.

    Thats really all I can think of right now.

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    I think one of the three of the biggest lessons anarchists can learn from these events is

    1) Establish your collectives really fast

    2) Don't disillusion people by condeming religion too much

    and most importantly

    3) Don't ally with the leninists in a revolution ever again.

    Thats really all I can think of right now.

    "Idealists foolish enough to throw caution to the winds have advanced mankind and have enriched the world.

    "The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue. "
    -Emma Goldman
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    I think one of the three of the biggest lessons anarchists can learn from these events is

    1) Establish your collectives really fast

    2) Don't disillusion people by condeming religion too much

    and most importantly

    3) Don't ally with the leninists in a revolution ever again.

    Thats really all I can think of right now.

    "Idealists foolish enough to throw caution to the winds have advanced mankind and have enriched the world.

    "The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue. "
    -Emma Goldman
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    Originally posted by FinnMacCool@Jun 22 2006, 09:00 PM
    3) Don't ally with the communists in a revolution ever again.
    Sounds like a pretty weak-ass revolution to me then.
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    Originally posted by FinnMacCool@Jun 22 2006, 09:00 PM
    3) Don't ally with the communists in a revolution ever again.
    Sounds like a pretty weak-ass revolution to me then.
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    Originally posted by FinnMacCool@Jun 22 2006, 09:00 PM
    3) Don't ally with the communists in a revolution ever again.
    Sounds like a pretty weak-ass revolution to me then.
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    2) Don't disillusion people by condeming religion too much
    What?

    3) Don't ally with the communists in a revolution ever again.
    Substituting Leninists for communists, then fine.
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    2) Don&#39;t disillusion people by condeming religion too much
    What?

    3) Don&#39;t ally with the communists in a revolution ever again.
    Substituting Leninists for communists, then fine.
    Names: Haraldur, Cult of Reason
    Transhumanist Platformist Anarchist Communist Technocrat (Black Red Grey) / Technocratic Federalist
    Technocracy Study Course Anarchist FAQ Sustainable Energy - Without The Hot Air
    Where Communism/<insert abundant system here> is possible: Full Report & Synopsis
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    2) Don&#39;t disillusion people by condeming religion too much
    What?

    3) Don&#39;t ally with the communists in a revolution ever again.
    Substituting Leninists for communists, then fine.
    Names: Haraldur, Cult of Reason
    Transhumanist Platformist Anarchist Communist Technocrat (Black Red Grey) / Technocratic Federalist
    Technocracy Study Course Anarchist FAQ Sustainable Energy - Without The Hot Air
    Where Communism/<insert abundant system here> is possible: Full Report & Synopsis
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    Socialism: Worker control of the means of production and distribution.
    THOU SHALT NOT ATTEMPT TO DEFY THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS.
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    What?
    THe anarchists weren&#39;t allowed to get as much support as they needed because they were way too eager to condemn religion.

    Substituting Leninists for communists, then fine.
    Oh yeah my bad. When I say communists I&#39;m reffering to LEninists.

    &quot;Idealists foolish enough to throw caution to the winds have advanced mankind and have enriched the world.

    &quot;The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue. &quot;
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    What?
    THe anarchists weren&#39;t allowed to get as much support as they needed because they were way too eager to condemn religion.

    Substituting Leninists for communists, then fine.
    Oh yeah my bad. When I say communists I&#39;m reffering to LEninists.

    &quot;Idealists foolish enough to throw caution to the winds have advanced mankind and have enriched the world.

    &quot;The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue. &quot;
    -Emma Goldman
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    What?
    THe anarchists weren&#39;t allowed to get as much support as they needed because they were way too eager to condemn religion.

    Substituting Leninists for communists, then fine.
    Oh yeah my bad. When I say communists I&#39;m reffering to LEninists.

    &quot;Idealists foolish enough to throw caution to the winds have advanced mankind and have enriched the world.

    &quot;The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue. &quot;
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    I was under the impresion that the execution of the local (fascist) priest was a very popular act.
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    I was under the impresion that the execution of the local (fascist) priest was a very popular act.
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    I was under the impresion that the execution of the local (fascist) priest was a very popular act.
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    Well, that was generally only Catholic priests, and that was only because the catholic church had supported the fascists. It, unfortunatly wasn&#39;t primarily an anti-religous thing.
    "How you cling to your purity, young man! How afraid you are to soil your hands! All right, stay pure! What good will it do? Why did you join us? Purity is an idea for a yogi or a monk. You intellectuals and Bourgeois anarchists use it as a pretext for doing nothing. To do nothing, to remain motionless, arms at your sides, wearing kids gloves. Well, I have dirty hands. Right up to the elbows. I've plunged them in the filth and blood. But what do you hope? Do you think you'll govern innocently?"
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    Well, that was generally only Catholic priests, and that was only because the catholic church had supported the fascists. It, unfortunatly wasn&#39;t primarily an anti-religous thing.
    "How you cling to your purity, young man! How afraid you are to soil your hands! All right, stay pure! What good will it do? Why did you join us? Purity is an idea for a yogi or a monk. You intellectuals and Bourgeois anarchists use it as a pretext for doing nothing. To do nothing, to remain motionless, arms at your sides, wearing kids gloves. Well, I have dirty hands. Right up to the elbows. I've plunged them in the filth and blood. But what do you hope? Do you think you'll govern innocently?"
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