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This isn't anything new, I always used to hear homophobic insults on the playground, I used to use them myself in primary without realising what it ment.
I cant remember anyone being homophobic when I was that young, guess I must have just blocked it out or something 'cos it must have occurred.
Really sucks though, children using such abusive and discriminative language should be formally warned and the word and its origin explained to the kid.
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I was called gay several times on the average day.
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The same.
First time I heard "faggot" was over a year ago, and I thought kids were calling each other loads of firewood. I guess that makes me...retarded...socially inept...outdated...or something?
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They could have also been calling each other a sausage/meatball!
I believe this sort of thing occurs because children don't realise the implications of what they're saying due to living in a heteronormative society.
If we lived in a homonormative society I'm sure all the kids would run around calling each other "hetero" instead of "homo" (ignoring the absurd biological and anthropological implications of a homonormative society).
A predominantly bisexual society would probably have a similar problem as it may be seen as favouring one gender over the other would be abnormal, kids in this society would be spoilt for choice, whether to call each other homo or hetero!.
A society with equal sizes of each demographic would not have the problem at all,
It's all caused by the perception of what is "normal" and what is "abnormal".
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I don't think it's much to worry about. Those kind of insult roll off the toungue like "you throw like a girl!" - when most kids wouldn't even concider girls inferior to boys anymore. I don't think Primary school children, for the most part, even really understand the meaning behind what they say... just like when I was in elementary school and we used to laugh whenever the number '69' came up in class or conversation - none of us really knew what we were laughing at.
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Ali, it is a problem, because it conditions children into believing that boys should only "love" girls and girls should only "love" boys, and instills homophobia. It is because they don't understand what they're saying and the implications the words and actions carry that it is a problem.
I personally was bullied for 10 years simply because I was overweight, because I didn't fit the magazine image that people should be slim(read: anorexic. This is true even for guys.) and athletic. Because of this I still have fairly big problems with my image, self-esteem, etc.
Even if you don't understand what you're saying you can still make someone feel like a worthless piece of shit, and as such I believe that all bullying is totally unacceptable, and at the risk of sounding reactionary, should warrant the use of physical punishment.
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I went to a catholic primary school, and now, looking back I realise all the missed opportunities to really rock the boat. But beyond the institutionally reactionary aspects to the school, forced prayer, forced church going, hymn singing instead of lessons, confused religio-sciencintific "facts" , there was plenty of homophobic language, and rhetoric from the classmates and teachers. Partly because the whole thing was extreamly boring, and I had a tendancy to form my own ideas anyway, it didn't have a large effect on me.
But for many it did, and that's the point, at the moment, we can all asses things and decide if we agree or not, whetehr we believe it or not. As is well known, children can't. They accept what they're told, to an extent, no mater how stupid or "impossible" it might be.
So by now we can use insults like "Gay" fully understanding the meanign behind it. Kid's can't, if they just start to see things as being "good" or "gay" then when they actually do encounter a homosexual they wil lreact the only way they know how, with homophobia. Or alternatively, when they start to become aware of their own homosexuality they will feel iscolated and freakish, and may even hate themselves depending on other areas of their social standing.
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Children can't decide whether or not they believe in something? They don't have the ability to agree or disagree with concepts? That is ridiculas. Just like I said before, insults were thrown around like crazy when I was in elementary school and I can assure you, many of the kids involved or even made fun of came out just fine. Maybe it has more to do with the individuals ability to KNOW the difference between right and wrong, and to know the difference between joking around and being serious.
But to say children don't have the ability to do that is a huge insult to every child out there. Give them a little more credit than that.
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Same. Although I wasn't at a Catholic school, it was very conservative high school. Still strong gender roles (most of the people in my food tech class were girls), and I noticed in the rules that only girls in year 10 were allowed to wear subtle makeup. I recently took up wearing mascara and eyeliner, and I thought of the missed opportunity of the reaction I'd get at a boy wearing makeup! (not that that's why!, I just have gorgeous ocean-coloured eyes!
I got really badly bullied in 2ndary school and took it badly because I'm aspergers. Then I came out. That was SHIT.
Anyway, even before I came out the kids said "gay", "woman", "Afghan", etc.
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Children do what the popular kid tells them. They are, in a way, the social elite of the school class system (that may sound stupid or pretencious, but at my school there was a social hierarchy); and s/he does what their parents tell them. Lucky I was always eccentric and, as a child, raised by a mother equally as eccentric (although she was conservative. That is irrelevant however, because she would have let me choose my own lifestyle)
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I Used to be homophobic and ableist when I was young. Go figure. Of course, I was a little fucktard.
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I don't think I've ever been homophobic really, perhaps a little scared of the idea of gays/lesbians when I was young but I was never into name-calling and labelling people because of their sexuality.
oh and check me out i have gay friends [random sarcasm]
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This isn't new at all. Homophobia is pretty much drilled into kids from a young age. Also, though kids call each other gay as in "stupid", they are also unintentionally associating gay with stupid when it clearly is not. This is one thing that I find quite disturbing when I hear really young kids do this. Words such as faggot are also quite common among these kids.
Gay is just used as a general term for anything slightly bad.
In fact I know (and am in fact friends with) a few people who say it, yet I am 100% certain they are not homophobic. For example some people say things like "my internet is gay, can't load google," or "my mp3 player is gay," which is just stupid, and I regularly point out that a computer or piece of machinery cannot be gay, and they don't say it as often as before.
People say it without thinking, but it's still not nice, it can be interpreted the wrong way.
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