This article makes it sound like the "racial divisions" involved are pretty clear cut...
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Whites are the majority in america.
Where I live theres like two around at a time getting mad cause they dont know spanish, but theres also other non black people in the crowd that you might not realise because of their features, but they are not latin people.
They are mediterranean people from North Africa, The southern most points of Europe, the islands between Africa and Europe, Turkey, Lebanon, Isreal, and Palestine.
They all have a common blood becuase we are all mixed with each others blood which is generally some african, caucasian, and semetic persian bloods. (a semite is NOT a jew, but a jew is a semite.)
People think were spanish alot of times in the US because in many places if youre not white or black then thats it. We got olive, gold or copper skin we got thick brown or black hair and as females we are generally full figured women even when we are thin. We all eat the same general shit except for the southern italians and siclians who eat alittle bit of different shit.
We have problems being catergorized becuase where a black or a white person has been callde the same race their whole life, and thats how they have an easyer sense of identity we have heard people dispute that we are several different things but never really "this" or "that." ...because we are not. We are Mediterranean. We are one of the oldest races in the world but we haev no recongnition as a race in the US. So unless you are conscious of who you are, then you will just adress yourself as "something else" or worse off....another race.
Some people think this is unimportant, and I would assume alot of those people would be white; Being born of the image that the world follows, racial identity does not need to be important, and it isnt meant as an offense at all. But racial identity is important because if I wasnt aware of my people, I would assume my hips were just fat I could make go away and that my hair just needs a different shampoo, or that my skin is the color it is because I am sick and maybe it should be more rosey, Id think something was wrong with me and I have before, becuase I wouldnt know who I was and Id compare myself to another race. And I would and could never win.
Alot of people dont think consciously cause we dont know, we think of our nationalities and then for our race we just put white cause OTHER just doesnt cut it for people who came to america wanting an opportunity. I think there is a real lot of white people somewhere in americabut the reaosn why the number is as big as it is now is because Arabs, and Mediterranean people put white when we arent white.
I dont think there really is that many white people.
Cause when I talk to my own people, we clearly know who we are and we smile, but when I go "so what do you put on those racial questions?"
None of us ever say "white!" like " DUH, of course thats what i put, cuase i am white."
But they say it like passively, because there is nothing else to put. The white man has left us nothing else to put.
A matter of fact, he uses our histories in his books, to cover up for when HIS people were savages. Anyone else can be described as primitive, but the western white man will never let his people be exposed when trying to racially dominate the world. You will hear about mesopotamia, ancient greece, pheoneicia, egypt, carthage, and so on and so fortn even though the white people were STILL in germany and england at that time......and then for the whole wrest of your history lesson you will hear about white people from france and england and germany and never here about the persian or mediterranean people again as if our history was just used to cover their ass, because no ETHNOCENTRIC school system would allow its race to be depicted as the savages it tries to make everyone else look like, even if they had their time to be pagans and run around naked eating raw meat too. Our history is userped. JESUS CHRIST was not white. He was most likely black or a mediterranean black or just plain out right fucking mediterranean, cause that is where he is from! It is better to userp jesus race as your own and colonize the race of all those biblical characters to dominate the world even in its spirituality that you will force them, then aknowlege those characters for what they are and just be white people who sympothise with a middle eastern/ mediterranean faith. "No JESUS was WHITE, now surrender to western europe! And pray to this blue eyed statue of the son of god"
That is the block I think this kind of shit comes from but its just a speculation....
there is nothing else to put on the paper for your race but white. Thats why you think theres so many white people. Bottom line. Discrimination on a whole nother level. Identical exploitation.
*all the white ethnocentricism I outlined in this essay comes from a power structure not race, so dont get it twisted and miss the point cause I aint bout to be on no bullshit with you.
You tell Moses to make bricks without straw,
Now he tells you to make cities without bricks!
This article makes it sound like the "racial divisions" involved are pretty clear cut...
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Amen to that Sister, tell it like it is. Fact is that before the white man dragged us off to America we were all Muslims. Genetically you can only get white from black proving that Islam is mankind's natural religion.Originally posted by Raisa@Jun 11 2006, 09:45 AM
Whites are the majority in america.
Where I live theres like two around at a time getting mad cause they dont know spanish, but theres also other non black people in the crowd that you might not realise because of their features, but they are not latin people.
They are mediterranean people from North Africa, The southern most points of Europe, the islands between Africa and Europe, Turkey, Lebanon, Isreal, and Palestine.
They all have a common blood becuase we are all mixed with each others blood which is generally some african, caucasian, and semetic persian bloods. (a semite is NOT a jew, but a jew is a semite.)
People think were spanish alot of times in the US because in many places if youre not white or black then thats it. We got olive, gold or copper skin we got thick brown or black hair and as females we are generally full figured women even when we are thin. We all eat the same general shit except for the southern italians and siclians who eat alittle bit of different shit.
We have problems being catergorized becuase where a black or a white person has been callde the same race their whole life, and thats how they have an easyer sense of identity we have heard people dispute that we are several different things but never really "this" or "that." ...because we are not. We are Mediterranean. We are one of the oldest races in the world but we haev no recongnition as a race in the US. So unless you are conscious of who you are, then you will just adress yourself as "something else" or worse off....another race.
Some people think this is unimportant, and I would assume alot of those people would be white; Being born of the image that the world follows, racial identity does not need to be important, and it isnt meant as an offense at all. But racial identity is important because if I wasnt aware of my people, I would assume my hips were just fat I could make go away and that my hair just needs a different shampoo, or that my skin is the color it is because I am sick and maybe it should be more rosey, Id think something was wrong with me and I have before, becuase I wouldnt know who I was and Id compare myself to another race. And I would and could never win.
Alot of people dont think consciously cause we dont know, we think of our nationalities and then for our race we just put white cause OTHER just doesnt cut it for people who came to america wanting an opportunity. I think there is a real lot of white people somewhere in america
I dont think there really is that many white people.
Cause when I talk to my own people, we clearly know who we are and we smile, but when I go "so what do you put on those racial questions?"
None of us ever say "white!" like " DUH, of course thats what i put, cuase i am white."
But they say it like passively, because there is nothing else to put. The white man has left us nothing else to put.
A matter of fact, he uses our histories in his books, to cover up for when HIS people were savages. Anyone else can be described as primitive, but the western white man will never let his people be exposed when trying to racially dominate the world. You will hear about mesopotamia, ancient greece, pheoneicia, egypt, carthage, and so on and so fortn even though the white people were STILL in germany and england at that time......and then for the whole wrest of your history lesson you will hear about white people from france and england and germany and never here about the persian or mediterranean people again as if our history was just used to cover their ass, because no ETHNOCENTRIC school system would allow its race to be depicted as the savages it tries to make everyone else look like, even if they had their time to be pagans and run around naked eating raw meat too. Our history is userped. JESUS CHRIST was not white. He was most likely black or a mediterranean black or just plain out right fucking mediterranean, cause that is where he is from! It is better to userp jesus race as your own and colonize the race of all those biblical characters to dominate the world even in its spirituality that you will force them, then aknowlege those characters for what they are and just be white people who sympothise with a middle eastern/ mediterranean faith. "No JESUS was WHITE, now surrender to western europe! And pray to this blue eyed statue of the son of god"
That is the block I think this kind of shit comes from but its just a speculation....
there is nothing else to put on the paper for your race but white. Thats why you think theres so many white people. Bottom line. Discrimination on a whole nother level. Identical exploitation.
*all the white ethnocentricism I outlined in this essay comes from a power structure not race, so dont get it twisted and miss the point cause I aint bout to be on no bullshit with you.
Well, i think i would qualify as \'Mediterranean\' by your definition, but it would be awkward to fill out forums that way because its not a socially recognized race...and race is a social phenomenon and not a biological one. Social consensus about what a race is, and race, are identicial, because race is socially determined. Of course any socially defined race contains people with very different genetic backgrounds...thats because its not a biological thing.
The way youre defining certain caucasians as mediterranean and certain other caucasians as white is also quite arbitrary (and, in any case i think, the traditional definition of caucasian in the united states includes europeans, arabs, persians, north africans, south and central asians, and the US census questions i think refer to caucasians rather than whites...) You could just as easily call people from mediterranean and arab countries and the rest of continental europe white and classify scandanvians as a seperate race...real pale platinum blondes from finland are probably more shades different from an average French person, for instance, than average Sicilian or Lebonese is from an average French person.
When you make comments like \"Anyone else can be described as primitive, but the western white man will never let his people be exposed when trying to racially dominate the world.\" it really comes off like you just want to disassociate yourself from some kindof collective guilt associated with the wrongs of the \'white people\'...but i think its quiet unecessary since we\'re talking about people who existed before anyone currently was alive was around, theres no special connection or automatic association with people simply because they might be your genetic ancestors. Im also not sure what good it does given that there were plenty of mediterranean imperialists as well, i mean, mediterraneans destroyed central and south american civilization and spent the first 500 years of the current era oppressing \'the white people.\'
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[b]See this isnt arbitrary and this isnt about how we look, its a clear historical fact of the history of people's mixtures. There is nothing arbitrary about that.
People started in Africa. They were black. Some went to the middle east and got lighter and softer hair from the experiance, but it was still thick hair and their skin was a lighter shade of brown or yellow, and these were the semites because Semi means half. half what? DUH. African! THen after this people went into europe and eventually as they went north and there are many different theories, white people happened. but mediterranean people is another story because we just kept getting caught up in the same mixture for thousands and thousands of years and thats why one way or the other our skin is a unique olive that can only be made by mixing races over such a long period of time. I dont believe in arbitrary shit.
"When you make comments like \\\"Anyone else can be described as primitive, but the western white man will never let his people be exposed when trying to racially dominate the world. \\\" it really comes off like you just want to disassociate yourself from some kindof collective guilt associated with the wrongs of the \\\'white people\\\"
..........FIrst of all, if I was white I wouldtn be guilty, Id just think that what ever needs to be done needs to be done for the world to move past my ancestors mistakes. SHit happens. My people did some fuck-shit too. it isnt about dissociation, its about not representing something your not cause you can fail at being everything else but you can never fail at being yourself!
Second of all ,It doesnt matter how the hell it comes off, the white power structure will never let its own peoples savage history be described in school. Everyone had their time to run around naked and act crazy, but it just turns out while persians and mediterranean people were making books and economies, the europeans were eating raw meat and worshipping rocks. Sorry, thats life.
IF there is some screwed up shit my own people did, which there was, in our own area of the world generally speaking...and it related to a subject I was talking about, I wouldnt hesitate to include it.
I dont have to disassociate my people from a group of people that we are not.
" i mean, mediterraneans destroyed central and south american civilization and spent the first 500 years of the current era "
The spaniards got mediterranean blood, but that is a far fectch to say it was the mediterraneans, thats like accusing Ukrianians for the crusades. The greeks learned imperialism from previous empires and Alexander the great was inspired to take it to another level, the macedonian became a greek leader and went on conquests, eventually greece taught rome imperialism and ROME took IT to ANOTHER level conquering northern europe, and they showed the white people imperialism as in "join my culture and you will be considered human" ..but northern europe had the plauge and etc, and was on quarantine with no hope but christianity, including spain, and they got the idea that anyone who didnt have their culture not only was a savage but didnt have the same relationship with god that they did, making them less human. So they added maybe to " join my culture and then MAYBE youre a human being"
"Well, i think i would certaintly qualify as \\\'Mediterranean\\&# 092;' by your definition, but it would be awkward to fill out forums that way because its not a socially recognized race"
If theres a place for me to write what I am, thats what I put regardless. They aske and people shouldnt ask a question they dont want the real answer for. The PROLITERIAT is not a socially recognized class, we always see ourselves in a temporary state of poverty that wants to be middleclass or ritch instead of as an opressed class, but we still are the proliteriat, and I will call myself the proliteriat. Mediterraneans are not white, but we see ourselves as half assed white people in some form or the other if we call ourselves white. We will never be white. Something will generally come out wrong with that for hte majority of us.
I could go around calling myself white, Ive called myself white before, just to see what would happen and people go " youre white?" I dont look a big far fetch from a white person. We got white peoples blood. but just cause you haev someones blood, doesnt mean thats it. It clearly isnt that simple. ANd if you are mediterranean adn rather be regocnized as white, have fun, as long as it works out for you, then do your thing. But it isnt good advice to insinuate that we call ourselves something we are not just because its easyer.
You tell Moses to make bricks without straw,
Now he tells you to make cities without bricks!
No, it's not. African religions outdate Islam by thousands of years. Also the fact that a lot of Africans were 'converted' to Islam as slaves of the Islamic empire is a little problematic don't ya think? The reason why Islam is so widespread amongst the peoples of North Africa is because northern Africa was geographically the closest part of Africa to the Islamic empire, and consequently the part of Africa where the Islamic empire sourced its African slaves.
What does the first part of this statement even mean? And how does it link the second part of your statement?
There's no such thing as 'mankinds natural religion', religion is not 'natural' in the sense that it's always existed as a part of nature, it's a socio-cultural construction of human society. And how can Islam, as the youngest of monotheistic religions, be the most 'natural'? Wouldn't the oldest/original religion be the most natural?
er.......can't you just tick the other box on forms and then write what you want next to it?
I always do other then write Slavic.
Raisa you're spanish right. What about the Moors invasions of Spain in AD711?
Now I am starting to think you are a troll.
Ethiopia had a christian church 150 years before Rome.
Also the white man had a little help from non white intermediaries, please, lets not forget them.
White from black? Care to expand on that ? Make it a bit clearer, I am smoking some weed right now, I dont follow sorry.
I'm of Northern European ancestry myself - blue eyes, fair skin and dark brown/black hair, but it is very likely that I have some non-white ancestry in me (I once heard that about 20% of white Britons had some black ancestry, either from recent immigration or from Roman soliders settling - in fact, black people were living in England before the Anglo-Saxons came).
Most "white" Brits are probably a Celtic-Romantic-Germanic-Asian-African mix.
Roman soldiers in Britain were mainly white.Originally posted by ThisAnarchistKillsNazis@Jun 11 2006, 12:42 PM
I'm of Northern European ancestry myself - blue eyes, fair skin and dark brown/black hair, but it is very likely that I have some non-white ancestry in me (I once heard that about 20% of white Britons had some black ancestry, either from recent immigration or from Roman soliders settling - in fact, black people were living in England before the Anglo-Saxons came).
Most "white" Brits are probably a Celtic-Romantic-Germanic-Asian-African mix.
which black people are you talking about there?
(i'm genuinely curious, not taking the piss)
Thanks for the links.
As many of you know 'caus I tend to say it whenever an issue of race comes about, I'm half-English half-chilean. I used to put myself down as white but now I put myself as 'Mixed' or 'Other'.
At the end of the day we all came from Africa, we are all equal and we should do what we can to destroy the perception of race but without losing our cultural identities, if that is possible.
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Very true. We need to consider ourselves as global citizens, pledging allegiance to no nation and to no flag.
I am Spanish, therefore mediterranean. I can understand your point and well said.
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I think by 'white from black' he is talking about Yakub...
According to the Nation of Islam (NOI), Yakub (also spelled Yacub), was an evil scientist responsible for creating the white race — a race of devils, in their view. Yakub created white people by a process of "grafting" from the original black population of the world. It took 600 years for Yakub and his successors to fully whiten his creations. This was achieved under a despotic regime on the island of Patmos. The reasons for Yakub's actions are unclear. His progeny were destined to rule for 6,000 years before the original black peoples of the world regained dominance, a process that began in 1914.
The doctrine of Yakub was first proclaimed by Wallace Fard Muhammad and was later developed by his successor Elijah Muhammad.
The name Yakub is a variant of the Semitic name referred to in European language versions of the Bible as Jacob or in modern Jewish communities as Ya’akov. Fard Muhammad appears to have adapted the Biblical Jacob's role as the father of the tribes of Israel to reposition him as the originator of white people as a whole (including Jews). The idea that Jacob/Yakub was the founder of a deviant, corrupt people is probably adapted from late nineteenth and early twentieth century anti-Semitism, in which the concept of racial degeneration was commonplace. The notion that the Jews were an artificial people arising from corrupt racial mixing is found in the works of Alfred Rosenberg and other racialists. Yakub's grafting activities seem to refer to the ideas of eugenicists, popular at the time. The figure of Yakub generalizes racial antipathy to all white people, of whom Jews now form a sub-group.
In recent times, the so-called doctrine of Yakub has been rationalized within the NOI as an allegory for the evolution of whites from the original black-skinned human populations of Africa, and as a parable warning of the dangers of eugenics. Yakub's 600-year experiment is seen as colorful storytelling, little different from the Bible's account of God creating Eve from Adam's rib, or the creation of heaven and earth in six days. In his autobiography (written with Alex Haley), El-Hajj Malik Shabazz (Malcolm X) notes that, in his travels in the Middle East, many Muslims reacted with shock upon their discovery of the doctrine of Yakub.
As you can see, it's total BS. Just some racist slander made up by the NOI. As if one 'evil' man created one 'evil' 'race' <_<
This "Yakub" myth made up by the NOI does not help anyone. Rascism is rascism, no matter how much melanin is in your skin. I would put these people in the same category as any white rascist or neo-nazi.
This reminds me of alot of questionaires and a problem with them: there are no 'other' or 'muliethnic' options.I'm white, I generally look white, but the truth is I'm part Native American. I'm culturally coerced into being 'white' aka Irish / Anglo-Saxon / Germainic / Slavic 'white'.
I know people who are half-black and half-white but they're coerced into being either 'black' or 'white'. I know people who are half-latino and half-Anglo-Saxon white and once again they're coerced into being either 'Hispanic' or 'white'.
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There's usually a "Native American" option, at least on every form that asked race that I've ever seen.
Despite what the average joe would have you think (Americans are obsessed with race), "Hispanic" is not a racial category. Its a census category that doesn't consider race. Anyone south of the Rio Grande is considered "Hispanic," be they black, white, brown or green.
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