Many teenage girls feel pressured into sex: study

[amanondeathrow]

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Teenage girls commonly have sex not because they want to, but because they feel pressured into it - and the result may be a higher risk of sexually transmitted diseases and pregnancy, a new study suggests.

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[VermontLeft]

i wouldnt say that this is very surprising.

this society is very patriarchal and, sexually especially, very focused around male "needs". that means that womens sexuality is supressed in favour of satisfying the desires of boyfriendss/husbands/whatrever.

i think that its unfair, though, to say that this is a "drug"issue, like that people who use marijuana are "more likely" to rape people.

its actually a much bigger issue than just the "underclasses" that the bourgeoisie like to blame for everything. in fact i wouldnt be suprised if sexual exploitation is more common among the "rich and powerful" than it among the "pot smoking poor", its just that their kind of exploitation has been "legitamized" by society.

this study/story also doesnt address how to solve this problem and even worse id say that its missinge the point of what the problem is.

this isnt a sexual problem! this is a societal one. sex is just another manifestation of a generaly sexist environment in which women are routinely expected to "submit" to men.

and becuase of tyhat the solution needs to come from female empowerment. women and girls shouldnt be taught "absitance" (like georege bush would want :angry or "modesty" (as some poster here said in another thread <_<) but to claim their own sexuality and to stand up for themselves&#33;

and though it doesnt need to be said i hope, obviously anyone who intentionally forced someone else into sex should be locked up and never released. and a swift kick to their sexual organs wouldnt hurt either. :angry:

[rioters bloc]

Originally posted by VermontLeft@Jun 7 2006, 11:44 PM
this society is very patriarchal and, sexually especially, very focused around male "needs". that means that womens sexuality is supressed in favour of satisfying the desires of boyfriendss/husbands/whatrever.

i think that its unfair, though, to say that this is a "drug"issue, like that people who use marijuana are "more likely" to rape people.

its actually a much bigger issue than just the "underclasses" that the bourgeoisie like to blame for everything. in fact i wouldnt be suprised if sexual exploitation is more common among the "rich and powerful" than it among the "pot smoking poor", its just that their kind of exploitation has been "legitamized" by society.

this study/story also doesnt address how to solve this problem and even worse id say that its missinge the point of what the problem is.

this isnt a sexual problem&#33; this is a societal one. sex is just another manifestation of a generaly sexist environment in which women are routinely expected to "submit" to men.

and becuase of tyhat the solution needs to come from female empowerment. women and girls shouldnt be taught "absitance" (like georege bush would want :angry or "modesty" (as some poster here said in another thread <_<) but to claim their own sexuality and to stand up for themselves&#33;

and though it doesnt need to be said i hope, obviously anyone who intentionally forced someone else into sex should be locked up and never released. and a swift kick to their sexual organs wouldnt hurt either. :angry:

so typical to blame it on external influences like drugs rather than acknowledge that this system is fucked. i also agree that simply pinning it on under/lower-classes is ludicrous. i imagine sexual assault is just as prominent in the upper-classes, if not more so. but wom*n are likely to refrain from reporting it because of social standing and reputation (whereas in lower classes it would probably be more because the potential financial ramifications for them).

[Ander]

The increase of sexual activity among younger females to please males is quite disturbing and unfortunate. It&#39;s a shame that girls (and kids in general) are growing out of their childhoods quicker than ever.

[the_last_straw]

Perhaps the study should say Many teenagers feel pressured into sex. The problem with the way that sex is going is that men are getting more pleasure and women aren&#39;t getting their fair share. Men need to respect that sex is something that both sides need to enjoy. Most men would grimace at the thought of getting rammed for an hour, but women aren&#39;t speaking up enough.

[TC]

Hmmm...You know, while it sucks to feel pressured into doing anything, i really wonder how many teenage girls feel pressured by their parents and other adults into not to having sex? How much more frequently do you think people have not had agreed to having sex, when they&#39;ve wanted it, because they were afraid of what other people would think, even what their partner would think of them. My guess is a lot more.


If you read the article, the term &#39;unwanted&#39; sex is somewhat misleading because its not talking about sexual assult or rape specifically, its talking about consensual sex acts where girls "give into" their boyfriends for the sake of their relationships.

Rape is forcing someone to have sex...a guy pleading, begging, whining, bargining and so on in hopes of getting his partner to agree to have sex is not.

Most so called "sex education" directed towards teenage girls is about getting them to refuse to sex even when they want it. How many "ways to say no", "refusal strategies", and "just say no" types of campaigns have these kids likely been exposed to? The general attitude is that teenage girls *shouldn&#39;t* be having sex, and the general, and wholely false presumption is that they don&#39;t want sex. I mean, have you ever seen one of those "how to say no" articles give advice on "how to ask your boyfriend for sex"; certaintly not from a mainstream sex-"ed" source. A lot of girls are in the position where they feel they&#39;re expect to act like they don&#39;t want sex, that they ought to essentially make their boyfriends pressure them, like, they&#39;re a "slut" if they give in too easily *even when they want to*...


Whats worse is that a lot of assholish guys will think less of a girl agrees without any effort on his part, that she&#39;s "easy" or something and therefore less valuable, undoubtedly because they were also paying attention to the social conservatives who insist that girls ought to &#39;just say no.&#39;


If some survey person had asked if guys have ever "tried to pressure me into having sex" i&#39;d have to say *of course&#33;*; if the question was have guys ever convinced me to when i&#39;ve not initially wanted to, then again, of course...but those types of dynamics exist whenever you&#39;re in a relationship with anyone, whether its sexual or not, because there are always issues where one person wants to do something and the other doesn&#39;t really feel like it, but is willing to compromise and accommodate the other some of the time. However, it wouldnt&#39; be newsworthy for a survey to ask "has your best friend ever successfully pressured you into seeing a movie that you didn&#39;t want to" and then report on the astonishing rate of "Unwanted movie watching" among teens, because conservatives have no interest in seeing girls refuse to &#39;give in&#39; to their friends movie requests, but they&#39;re freak&#39;n obsessed with making sure girls refuse to &#39;give in&#39; to their boyfriend&#39;s sexual advances.

Its also ridiculous and fairly insulting to group this type of relationship dynamic with forced or non-consensual sex, as if the only issue with sexual assult was that the victim didn&#39;t feel like it at the time, rather than the real issue which is the violation of their personal rights and control over their bodily integrity, something that doesn&#39;t occur in the issues described in the article. When someone agrees to sex (or anything else) when they don&#39;t really feel like it because they have an ulterior motive (making their partner happy) that is no violation of their personal rights rather its exercising a choice that they&#39;re entitled to make. Of course in an ideal world people wouldn&#39;t feel pressured into doing anything, but feeling pressured especially out of a desire to indirectly benefit oneself (such as in securing your relationship) is entirely different than being *forced*.

As a side note, in the article it reports that the survey asks "Would he break up with you unless you had sex?" Frankly if i had a boyfriend who didn&#39;t want to have sex with me over a long period of time, i&#39;d definately break up with him&#33; Thinking that this isn&#39;t a legitimate reason to end a relationship is implicitly thinking that wanting sex isn&#39;t a legitimate thing for young people. If one partner wants sex and the other doesn&#39;t, then clearly they want different things out of their relationship and thats a fairly legitimate reason to want to move on to a new one; people shouldn&#39;t try to be in a romantic/sexual relationship with someone they don&#39;t want sexually, thats sort of taking advantage of someone in a different way.

[C_Rasmussen]

Girls are being pressured into having sex like guys are pressured into having sex or they&#39;re looked down upon. Thats unfortunately how it is these days. People should be able to do it when they want without societal pressures.

[TC]

The increase of sexual activity among younger females to please males is quite disturbing and unfortunate.

Why? Thats what people do in a sexual relationship...i&#39;d hope that any guy i was with would do some &#39;sexual activity&#39; to please me&#33;

[Raisa]

Originally posted by C_Rasmussen@Jun 8 2006, 06:29 AM
Girls are being pressured into having sex like guys are pressured into having sex or they&#39;re looked down upon. Thats unfortunately how it is these days. People should be able to do it when they want without societal pressures.

Its not equal.

Women are always ready to be fucked......

Lets do a percentage check on some simple shit.... to let you know how we revolve our lives around male needs.

The pussy doesnt necessarily have to be shaved every damn day.
But many women shave their pussies JUST INCASE.

JUST INCASE what?&#33;

Just incase a man wants to pull your pants down.

How many men shave their balls just incase I want some smooth ones on my forehead?

Not many. Its all about the men.

[Little brother]

Out of interest how old are the people adding onto this convo? I&#39;m 16. I&#39;m sexually active too. Why? I have been since i just turned 15 and i&#39;ll be 17 soon. I look back at why and realised i was pressured into it. It&#39;s not just women pressured into sex. My mates have also had the same prob. And it&#39;s happening so early too. Teens are growing up way way too fast. I was at a party two weeks ago. Having a dandy ol time and then this girl came up to me. Not overly drunk, she was still rather in control. So we started talking, chatting away and she kept giving me drinks. I just thought. Hey what a cool lil chick. Til i realised what she was doing. She was trying to get me drunk. I realised my drink was also getting stronger. She was trying to get me drunk. She then started feeling me up. This is when it hit me what was happening. She was 13. year 8 at school. And was getting me drunk and was going to be doing something to me that night.
13. I couldn&#39;t get my head around it. So i&#39;ve found this really isn&#39;t a new thing as i have mates in year 8. Lil guys who only have just hit their teens and they have already had sex. What is this world coming to?

[LSD]

The pussy doesnt necessarily have to be shaved every damn day.
But many women shave their pussies JUST INCASE.

JUST INCASE what?&#33;

um...in case they have sex, I&#39;d imagine.

It&#39;s the same reason that guys wash their balls.

How many men shave their balls just incase I want some smooth ones on my forehead?

I would hope that most guys keep themselves clean down there; and I&#39;m certain that some of them keep the hairs quite short. There are also undoubtably those who do keep their balls "smooth" and shaven.

By the same token, although some women do keep completely shaven, I would surmise that it&#39;s the minority. Most probably just keep themselves looking good; which really has more to do with internalized beauty standards than it does with men.

I can tell you that I, personally, really don&#39;t care about specific shaving/waxin/trimming procedures, so long as everything is clean and in my experience most women feel the same way.

It&#39;s really the beauty industry that&#39;s promoting this concept of a universal "standard" for care, mainly so that that they can sell more bullshit "hygene" products.

[Enragé]

I hate these guys who pressure girls into doing things they dont really want

frankly
i think they should be shot
on sight
right now
in the knees and then in the face
i fucking hate them
they are a disgrace to...fucking humanity, to the act of sex (which should always be fully because they both WANT to, not because one thinks its "ok", and the other wants real bad, not because one doesnt really want to but doesnt want to lose face, and the other pressures her/him...but face it mostly her...into doing so)


and i am getting fucking sick of all these anorexic *****es on tv who are ugly as hell who make people think they are fat while in fact they&#39;re hot
lets go burn some fashion thingy&#39;s headquarter or something



oh and im a guy

btw
shaven is way better than hairy
myself i trim it so i dont look like someone who escaped form planet of the apes

[Ander]

Originally posted by TragicClown@Jun 8 2006, 03:29 AM

The increase of sexual activity among younger females to please males is quite disturbing and unfortunate.

Why? Thats what people do in a sexual relationship...i&#39;d hope that any guy i was with would do some &#39;sexual activity&#39; to please me&#33;

When I think of 13 year old girls having sex, I feel kinda disgusted. While I believe that you should have sex when you feel you&#39;re ready, there&#39;s something about an 8th grader who is sexually active that just seems off..

In my case, I am 16, my girlfriend is 17 (on Saturday) and we have never had sex. We&#39;ve done everything but sex, but she does not feel ready to go the whole way. While I have told her I feel ready, I respect her wishes and would never try to force or pressure her into anything. I find that to be really low and I could never imagine myself taking advantage of her or anybody else.

[Enragé]

Originally posted by Jello@Jun 8 2006, 10:55 PM

In my case, I am 16, my girlfriend is 17 (on Saturday) and we have never had sex. We&#39;ve done everything but sex, but she does not feel ready to go the whole way. While I have told her I feel ready, I respect her wishes and would never try to force or pressure her into anything. I find that to be really low and I could never imagine myself taking advantage of her or anybody else.

thats exactly the way i feel

and actually was in the exact same situation a year ago (including age-wise) :P

[Ander]

Right on, comrade&#33;

[Little brother]

Yeah man thats the way. Too many guys at my school are always pressuring the girls into sex. It&#39;s fucking crazy and disgusting. Especially cause the guys are like 17 and the girls 13. Not cool

[Raisa]

UNtill you sleep with your equal you will never be a man.

Thats what it is.

Any man could get a dumb ***** to let him hit it. Or should i say, a female who has been set up to have low expectations by our system...cause thats what it is.
But could you get a real woman?
A secure woman?
A solid woman?

[TC]

Any man could get a dumb ***** to let him hit it. Or should i say, a female who has been set up to have low expectations by our system...cause thats what it is.
But could you get a real woman?
A secure woman?
A solid woman?

Raisa you know, thats quite insulting to women who, say, look at sex in such a way that they dont have as many expectaitons about what they should get out of sex, and whats wrong with that? Not everyone only wants to have it in a relationship or something with someone their age, sometimes people just want to have fun and that doesnt make them a "dumb *****" it just means they want something different. Its completely artificial and arbitrary to impose your feelings about sex on everyone else.

Having a particular set of expectations out of a guy before you sleep with him doesnt make you a real woman, a secure woman or a solid woman, it just means that youre exercising a personal choice like everyone else.

[VermontLeft]

UNtill you sleep with your equal you will never be a man.

and who decides what an "equal" is? who gets to pick out the "Real women"?

you?

Any man could get a dumb ***** to let him hit it. Or should i say, a female who has been set up to have low expectations by our system...cause thats what it is.
But could you get a real woman?

i dont know, what the fuck is a "real woman"???

do "real women" not "give it up"? do they only let guys "hit it" if theyve jumped through enough hoops? <_<

so does that mean that im not a "real woman" cause i dont play bullshit games? cause il fuck guys when i feel like it and dont "play hard to get"?

i guess that means that any guy whos slept with me isnt a "real man". well thats only fair since im "not a real women".

wow, were barely even human&#33;

although seriously, im not sure that i want to be a "real" anything if it means sticking by your fucked up standards of sexuality. (see the "slut" thread for the specific details why )

[Nachie]

Originally posted by LSD@Jun 8 2006, 08:45 PM
It&#39;s the same reason that guys wash their balls.

Oh shit, we&#39;re supposed to be doing that?