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what do you people think about the word "slut" with regards to patriarchal standards of sexual morality?
like is the way to fight the infamous "double standard" to deny words like that, or should we try and reclaim it as an indication that we see nothing wrong with what conservatives say is "wrong" for women?
I mean I used to take the hardline "second-wave"-type position on this ,but im realizing that its almost really bordering on some sort of creepy lesbian-seperatist anti-sex thing.
I mean I'm not against sex and Im proud that I love to fuck. and most of the girls i know love to get screwed by a nice had cockso why not embrace our "slutty" natures?
isntg it more challanging to "morality" to say that we are sluts and theres nothing wrong with it than to accept the precept that slutiness is "bad" and we should "ban the word" or some shit.
fuck it, someone convince me otherwise soon, 'cause im not seeing any good arguments againstthis.
fuck this wierd anti-man anti-heterosexual anti-sex bullshit from the hyper-"feminist" types. fewmininism should be about embracing ourselves and our desires and I desire to be penetrated by cock!!!!.
-- sincirely, a dirty horny sluit. :P
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</div><table border=\'0\' align=\'center\' width=\'95%\' cellpadding=\'3\' cellspacing=\'1\'><tr><td>QUOTE (LSD @ Apr 30 2006, 05:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id=\'QUOTE\'>Now Leninists and strict Marxists will tell you that "transitional" hierarchy is nescessary to "prepare" us for classless society, but notice how they avoid telling you exactly what "transitional" means in definite terms.
In the Soviet Union "transitional" meant about 73 years and the only thing that it "transitioned" into was gangster capitalism.
China's not quite there yet, so far only 57 years of "transition", but it looks like the end result's not going to be any more encouraging.
At this point, the doctrine of "transition" had been pretty much debunked. The only thing that creating a "new kind" of hiearchy does is create a new hierarchy. And if we're interested in emancipation, giving ourselves new masters doesn't exactly help.</td></tr></table><div class=\'signature\'>
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Well dont worry guys who are like that are looked down as players so it levels it out.
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</div><table border=\'0\' align=\'center\' width=\'95%\' cellpadding=\'3\' cellspacing=\'1\'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id=\'QUOTE\'>I sometimws fel like i know you guys.Then i sober up.lol,</td></tr></table><div class=\'signature\'> -Anarion XD.........Can't say I blame him sometimes either.
Player is usually taken as a good thing though, as well as pimp etc.
Meanwhile girls have things like slut, ho, ***** etc. that imply something bad.
You are certainly right about patriarchial attitudes in that area.
But I have to admit that I can't get rid of my prejudices too easily either. I mean I know a lot of girls at my school who are "sluts" and I can't help but have a trash attitude to them. I usally find many of them to be stupid but obviously I would be very hardpressed to find an anarchist/communist girl who likes sex thats stupid.
I really do believe though that the ideas behind girls and sex is stupid. Its like we expect them all to be virgin marys or something. Most women do like to have sex.
That just made me horny
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"The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue. "
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I agree with your sentiments on second-wave feminism. I don't understand the compulsory lesbian mindset, nor do I understand why anyone would want to be a gender sepratist...that would end up fucking up human civilzation.
I think as long as women are having sex because they enjoy it, not because men have taken over their bodily integrity or established a "gender identity" that says women have to have sex with men because it's their duty as women...then all is good.
I've actually heard a "feminist" saying that a woman's job is to stay at home and provide a nice life for her husband...and then service him sexually upon his whims. I wanted to kill her for bastardizing what feminism is.
If you wanna prance around screaming about how slutty you are, go ahead. I'm a human being and I have hormones but I also have a girlfriend and I love her very much, and I hope it lasts. That said, I don't see anything wrong with people who want to just get around and have fun as long as society comes to no harm by it, and I think that's the stance of a lot of people here. To be honest, I'm not quite sure what you're getting at. do you mean to tell me we are all sluts? Because I'm telling you now, I'm not.
No in most instances around here being a player isn't really something to be proud of.Originally posted by FinnMacCool@May 25 2006, 01:17 PM
Player is usually taken as a good thing though, as well as pimp etc.
Meanwhile girls have things like slut, ho, ***** etc. that imply something bad.
You are certainly right about patriarchial attitudes in that area.
But I have to admit that I can't get rid of my prejudices too easily either. I mean I know a lot of girls at my school who are "sluts" and I can't help but have a trash attitude to them. I usally find many of them to be stupid but obviously I would be very hardpressed to find an anarchist/communist girl who likes sex thats stupid.
I really do believe though that the ideas behind girls and sex is stupid. Its like we expect them all to be virgin marys or something. Most women do like to have sex.
That just made me horny
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</div><table border=\'0\' align=\'center\' width=\'95%\' cellpadding=\'3\' cellspacing=\'1\'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id=\'QUOTE\'>I sometimws fel like i know you guys.Then i sober up.lol,</td></tr></table><div class=\'signature\'> -Anarion XD.........Can't say I blame him sometimes either.
Then your place is very unique because being called a player around my school is you usually a good thing. (I.E. "Wassup playa?"Originally posted by C_Rasmussen+May 25 2006, 02:21 PM--> (C_Rasmussen @ May 25 2006, 02:21 PM)No in most instances around here being a player isn't really something to be proud of. [/b]@May 25 2006, 01:17 PM
Player is usually taken as a good thing though, as well as pimp etc.
Meanwhile girls have things like slut, ho, ***** etc. that imply something bad.
You are certainly right about patriarchial attitudes in that area.
But I have to admit that I can't get rid of my prejudices too easily either. I mean I know a lot of girls at my school who are "sluts" and I can't help but have a trash attitude to them. I usally find many of them to be stupid but obviously I would be very hardpressed to find an anarchist/communist girl who likes sex thats stupid.
I really do believe though that the ideas behind girls and sex is stupid. Its like we expect them all to be virgin marys or something. Most women do like to have sex.
That just made me horny
"Idealists foolish enough to throw caution to the winds have advanced mankind and have enriched the world.
"The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue. "
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Hey another person from VT on RevLeft! And i thought i was the only one. yay!
There was a debate on the word "slut" here
I don't like how women get called sluts while men are praised as playa pimpz. It's totally discriminatory and insulting, and it's a shame that some girls actually embrace the title of "slut."
As for me, I am not like this. I have never the seen the apparent glory of banging chicks left and right, it seems stupid and pointless to me. It doesn't appeal to me at all. I have my girlfriend, and when we are intimate together it is special and shared only between us. I don't think I could feel the same way with just anyone.
Thank you, I agree with everything you say in the second paragraph at least. but I don't see it as a shame that some girls embrace the title "slut", it's just like "player" for men in that it's a personal preference. In fact, I see it as being much more suitable in that the word "player" implies that the person is playing on the feelings and emotions of women, which is a horrible and exploitative thing to do.
well then fuck you. :angry:
do you also have a "trash attitude" to dudes you know who want to have sex?
you see that's the problem with "double standards", not the word "slut" itself. we need to combat the perception that being "slutty" is a bad thing not try and get rid of the word.
and finny, of course you can "get rid of your prejeduces". people arend "born' with predjeduce and it can be changed if we want to change it.
so get over your insane hatred of free wome nand accept that the sluts are here to stay.
VIVA LA SLUT!
right!
and its exactly the chicks who have sex cause they like it that are called the "sluts". the women who have sex out of "duty" are the ones that the prudes call "good girls" and want the rest of us to be like.
the only way to take the oposite stand is to be confrontational and honest and say that we dont want to fuck out of duty ,we want to fuck cause WERE SLUTS AND WE LOVE IT!!! :angry:
like how "nigger" and "queer" are "totaly discriminating and insulting"?
the word slut has negative associations, but in its standard definition it just means a girl who likes to have sex. well thats me.
sure whacko conservative types use it as an insult, just like they do with queer, but its not just an insult its also a descriptor for a population and that population shuold reclaim that word!
its time to be proud of being sexual creatures who like to fuck for fun. instead of "denying" that we are sluts and seperating ourselves from our sexuality, we should be embracing it.
by pretending that were not sluts were implying that there really are some sluts out there ...but that there not us. that we're actaully better than sluts; that we dont really like to screw...
well fuck that.
again, I love cock, I love fucking and i love getting entered by a man.
why should i be "ashamed" of that or what it makes me???
i am a sexual creature! i am a sexual woman and if the only word weve got for that nowadays is "slut", ill wear it proudly!
the "appeal" is that it feels good.
there doesnt have to be a whole "emotional" aspect to fucking, it can be entirely physical and be great as that.
i get that making love to someone you love is a whole thing by itself, but its not the end of sex. sex is also a fun activity that can be had with two people interested in making themselves and someone else feel good for a night.
no, youre a virgin.
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</div><table border=\'0\' align=\'center\' width=\'95%\' cellpadding=\'3\' cellspacing=\'1\'><tr><td>QUOTE (LSD @ Apr 30 2006, 05:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id=\'QUOTE\'>Now Leninists and strict Marxists will tell you that "transitional" hierarchy is nescessary to "prepare" us for classless society, but notice how they avoid telling you exactly what "transitional" means in definite terms.
In the Soviet Union "transitional" meant about 73 years and the only thing that it "transitioned" into was gangster capitalism.
China's not quite there yet, so far only 57 years of "transition", but it looks like the end result's not going to be any more encouraging.
At this point, the doctrine of "transition" had been pretty much debunked. The only thing that creating a "new kind" of hiearchy does is create a new hierarchy. And if we're interested in emancipation, giving ourselves new masters doesn't exactly help.</td></tr></table><div class=\'signature\'>
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You misunderstand. I don't give women attitude I just have this deep feeling which I can't place and it is is impossible to get rid of it.
I recognize the fact that my prejucidces are biased and wrong, you could at least give me credit for that. I don't think the 'fuck you' was well earned, esepcailly sinceI gave you my honest opinion. But then again your a part of the commie club so. . .
Don't be a hypocrite. If your going to rant about how people should be proud of being sluts, don't reinforce the social pressure that virginity is bad upon other people, which is essentially what your doing.
"Idealists foolish enough to throw caution to the winds have advanced mankind and have enriched the world.
"The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue. "
-Emma Goldman
That doesn't really clear anything up, I still don't know what point you're trying to make. Unless it's that you like to have sex, which we kinda gathered already.
And by the way, the world is not divided exclusively into sluts and virgins. You can be neither.
(Well maybe not you, but some people can be neither.)
no socialized attitude is "impossible" to get rid of.
the human brain just doesnt work like that
OK, i "give you credit", but only partial. :P
your kind a like a white racist saying that he "knows" that its wrong to hate blacks, but he "just cant change".
well bullshit. everyone can change eventually,. im not saying that your bad because you still have reactionary relics of patrairchal society, but because your unwilling to accept that you can change them if you try.
ujm...my "point" is that we should reclaim the word slut and be proud of it (refering to "slutty" women that is. men are already societaly rewarded for promiscuity).
i take it your a man, so maybe this isnt a relevant issue for you; but im saying that we shouldnt be afraid or insulted by being called "sluts" but be proud of the fact that we are sluts and love sex.
(again, this obviously only applies to us sluts
wow, did you miss my point. i wasnt saying that its an "either or", "slut or virgin" thing, just that, in response to your "im not a slut" comment: of course you're not a slut, you havent had sex yet!
how could one love an activity that they have not engaged in yet?
its like saying that you don't like playing football without ever having tried it.
youre not a slut, no kidding. just wait until you get your cherry popped though.
My body, my labor, my power.
</div><table border=\'0\' align=\'center\' width=\'95%\' cellpadding=\'3\' cellspacing=\'1\'><tr><td>QUOTE (LSD @ Apr 30 2006, 05:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id=\'QUOTE\'>Now Leninists and strict Marxists will tell you that "transitional" hierarchy is nescessary to "prepare" us for classless society, but notice how they avoid telling you exactly what "transitional" means in definite terms.
In the Soviet Union "transitional" meant about 73 years and the only thing that it "transitioned" into was gangster capitalism.
China's not quite there yet, so far only 57 years of "transition", but it looks like the end result's not going to be any more encouraging.
At this point, the doctrine of "transition" had been pretty much debunked. The only thing that creating a "new kind" of hiearchy does is create a new hierarchy. And if we're interested in emancipation, giving ourselves new masters doesn't exactly help.</td></tr></table><div class=\'signature\'>
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Everyone has prejudices, even you. You have certainly showed them here.
"Idealists foolish enough to throw caution to the winds have advanced mankind and have enriched the world.
"The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue. "
-Emma Goldman
Thanks, that's all I wanted to know, and I agree with you (on this point anyway
I'm not saying I won't love sex, in fact I think I can say with a fair deal of certainty that I will love it, and am in fact quite looking forward to it. But you don't have to be a slut to love sex... I for one love cake, but I'm not obese!
Somewhat of a preconception, don't you think?
*vomits*
If African-Americans are reclaiming the word "nigga" then why can't women reclaim the word "slut"?
I'm a man and have no need to chase women (or men) purely for my own sexual gratification - in fact, i would hate it if i was taking pleasure off someone without giving them equal pleasure (unless I was attacking a fascist or something). Even so, I am still a man. Women who like sex and are proud of it are still very much women.
Good!
ignore any crazy shit i say aswell, cause i really dont proofread my posts. the point here is to say that "slut" shouldnt be avoided by leftist women. we should be proud of our sluttiness.
well again i think this may be male/female thing.
when men say they love sex, they arent called sluts, theyre called "red blodded americans" or whatever. but when women say we love sex, we are called sluts.
thats really the normal appliucation of the word.
so no, maybe your right, in strict terms, youll probly neverr be a "slut' cause for a man to be called that hes gotta be a really HUGE slut :P
but for us girls, slut is applied to anyone who just likes to be taken by a nice big cock and is willing to admit it so, yeah, its a real problem as i see it and we should retake the word to fight this patriarchal oppressive puritanitcal bullshit.
...and you agree, right?
so why are we arguing?
maybe
Exactly.
My body, my labor, my power.
</div><table border=\'0\' align=\'center\' width=\'95%\' cellpadding=\'3\' cellspacing=\'1\'><tr><td>QUOTE (LSD @ Apr 30 2006, 05:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id=\'QUOTE\'>Now Leninists and strict Marxists will tell you that "transitional" hierarchy is nescessary to "prepare" us for classless society, but notice how they avoid telling you exactly what "transitional" means in definite terms.
In the Soviet Union "transitional" meant about 73 years and the only thing that it "transitioned" into was gangster capitalism.
China's not quite there yet, so far only 57 years of "transition", but it looks like the end result's not going to be any more encouraging.
At this point, the doctrine of "transition" had been pretty much debunked. The only thing that creating a "new kind" of hiearchy does is create a new hierarchy. And if we're interested in emancipation, giving ourselves new masters doesn't exactly help.</td></tr></table><div class=\'signature\'>
</div><table border=\'0\' align=\'center\' width=\'95%\' cellpadding=\'3\' cellspacing=\'1\'><tr><td>QUOTE (LSD @ Jul 17 2006, 05:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id=\'QUOTE\'>I've got the least sectarian cock on the board!</td></tr></table><div class=\'signature\'>
VermontLeft:
Pleasure appeals to everyone, obviously. But promiscuity is something I personally don't agree with. That's just the way I feel, it has no impact on how you live your life.
You can embrace being a slut, go ahead. But realize that not everyone will share your view, just as there are homophobes who frown upon gay pride.
And it seems a bit hypocritical to me to complain of the negative association that slut has and then turn around and use virgin in a insulting way.
