China leftists discuss about Nepal revolution

[redgrass]

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其中 萧武 自称“青年毛主义者”（Young Maoist）

[Janus]

Don't have time to read the entire discussion right now but I think that most of us here at least support the anti-monarchial Nepalese.

The Chinese government supports the king of Nepal and has recently given him arms . So much for advocating Mao Zedong Thought.

[Janus]

看这次事件。 有是巨型的抗议在尼泊尔。



尼泊尔国王承诺将还权于民

Originally posted by BBC Chinese
尼泊尔国王贾南德拉在对全国的电视广播中承诺他将把权力还给人民，并请反对派选出新首相。但是主要的反对党 联盟已经表示将继续示威活动。

贾南德拉说他打算将权力交还给人民。他请一直号召示威反对他的七个政党组成过渡政府，并尽快挑选新首相。他 说现在的政府将继续执政，直至新首相上任。

贾南德拉说他支持多党民主和君主立宪，他说将很快举行选举。

反对派领袖之一回应说，贾南德拉的宣布未符合国民的期望。前外交部长对BBC表示，贾南德拉未说明如何恢复 议会的运作。

反对党负责人指出，国王并没有提及民主派的主要要求如召集宪法会议讨论王室未来等。

不过，在首都加德满都的BBC记者说，尽管国王的讲话令群众欢呼，但他们觉得国王的让步远远不够，并担心这 只是国王用于暂时安抚民意的手段。

尼泊尔主要邻国印度队贾南德拉的态度表示欢迎，并说这将为恢复尼泊尔政治稳定铺平道路。

贾南德拉在去年2月解散政府亲自执政。过去数天数以万计的群众漠视戒严令举行示威，要求恢复民 主。

联合国人权官员批评说，尼泊尔保安部队在控制示威者的过程中使用了"过分而且致命的武力"。

[Honggweilo]

The Chinese government supports the king of Nepal and has recently given him arms ohmy.gif . So much for advocating Mao Zedong Thought.

Its not like the chinese goverment "supports" the monarchy, they are just trying to avoid international pressure. Oppertunistic yes, but somewhat understandable

If India or the US will retaliate against a nepal under maoïst or multiparty control, then its most likely china will react with political international pressure against those countries and even with military force. I spoke with one of the spokesman in Brussels for the CPN(m) and they said China's opinion can still go in every direction.

[Janus]

Yes, but you also have to take into account the fact that they don't want a Maoist revolution to pour into their country.

[Janus]

they are just trying to avoid international pressure. Oppertunistic yes, but somewhat understandable

Well, they didn&#39;t have to supply the monarchy with weapons. <_<

[Honggweilo]

no thats indeed worring . Although China had previous problems with their arms producing companies, selling arms illegally to gangs in new york, they seriously need to keep them in check.... So much for advocating deng xiao ping theory

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by Janus@Jul 8 2006, 12:29 AM
Yes, but you also have to take into account the fact that they don&#39;t want a Maoist revolution to pour into their country.

To what extent would a Maoist revolution in Tibet(assuming that&#39;s what you&#39;re talking about, as that&#39;s where the border with Nepal is) be a possibility?

[Honggweilo]

Originally posted by Matthijs+Aug 23 2006, 09:27 AM--> (Matthijs &#064; Aug 23 2006, 09:27 AM)

Janus

@Jul 8 2006, 12:29 AM
Yes, but you also have to take into account the fact that they don&#39;t want a Maoist revolution to pour into their country.

To what extent would a Maoist revolution in Tibet(assuming that&#39;s what you&#39;re talking about, as that&#39;s where the border with Nepal is) be a possibility? [/b]

If it where a possibility, i think the PRC would even embrace a maoist revolution in tibet concerning the forced seperatism from abroad

[Janus]

To what extent would a Maoist revolution in Tibet(assuming that&#39;s what you&#39;re talking about, as that&#39;s where the border with Nepal is) be a possibility?

I&#39;m talking about mainland China in general. The government has already alienated the farmers enough and there have been many protests every year.

[Honggweilo]

I wouldnt encourage an pure external maoist revolution in China (this would seriously destablize the country and would lead to foreign imperialist intervention), although i do strongly engcourage a internal maoist/leftist revolution or a radical course change within the CPC back by ofcourse the mayority, including ofcourse the peasantry.. Just a thought, this may sound a bit farfetch&#39;d

[Xiao Banfa]

Yes, but you also have to take into account the fact that they don&#39;t want a Maoist revolution to pour into their country.

I don&#39;t think they are worried, the poltical dynamic in China is different.
The couse for Leftists in China is not a millitary peasant revolution.

The Nepal revolution if it were to "pour" anywhere would pour into the Subcontinent.

China has Tibet as a buffer zone.

[Janus]

I don&#39;t think they are worried, the poltical dynamic in China is different.
The couse for Leftists in China is not a millitary peasant revolution.

Probably not but this doesn&#39;t change the fact that there is a growing militant farmer&#39;s movement that the gov. has been working hard to suppress.

And when I meant "pour into", I didn&#39;t mean that in the literal sense but rather that it would encourage the rural movement which is something that the CCP does not want.

[Xiao Banfa]

Probably not but this doesn&#39;t change the fact that there is a growing militant farmer&#39;s movement that the gov. has been working hard to suppress.

The solution has to be co-ordinated with, if not directed from, the CCP.
The CCP is moving left with the expulsion of the Shanghai Clique.

Left wing intellectuals in China have the attention of some sections of the CCP.

China has got a wait and see approach to Nepal. I think Prachanda, Bhattarai and the CPN(M) are savvy and don&#39;t want to upset the chinese.
If a geopolitical situation favourable to China can be co-ordinated with a good position for the revolution in Nepal I think we could see a dramatic change in the regional balance of power and possibly the world.

[Xiao Banfa]

Qiu Shi (Seeking Truth), the CPC&#39;s theoretical publication. The theoretical magazine used to be named Hong Qi (Red Flag).

Do any of the chinese comrades know where I can get access to this? Or is it of a limited circulation?

[Janus]

The CCP is moving left with the expulsion of the Shanghai Clique.

Yes, some of the officials who were placed in power by Jiang have been kicked out due to corruption,etc. but this doesn&#39;t necessarily mean that the CCP is moving left and moving away from it&#39;s current path.

[Janus]

Do any of the chinese comrades know where I can get access to this?

You mean subscribe or just read?

Here&#39;s the website but it&#39;s in Chinese.
http://www.qsjournal.com.cn/

[Xiao Banfa]

You mean subscribe or just read?

It would probably have to be a subscription. If I can get it off the internet for free, that would be good too.

[Janus]

I don&#39;t think they have English translations for this publication unless you were to translate it yourself.

[Xiao Banfa]

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