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South African Communist Party, circa 1910s -- "White workers of the world, unite!"
the lowest for communism.
hmm well castro respecting the pope is a big one but i would consider the use of dialectics and leninism to be the biggest folly's worse is that they are still around.
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Christ, yeah, that's got to be up there.
It depends what you mean by "revolutionary Marxism".
You'd have to say losing the Spanish Civil War was a sore one to take.
The defeat of the German Revolution in 1921 was pretty bad as well.
The Nazi-Soviet pact?
The Moscow trials?
Since, according to their fantasy, the relationships of men, all their doings, their chains and their limitations are products of their consciousness, the Young Hegelians logically put to men the moral postulate of exchanging their present consciousness for human, critical or egoistic consciousness, and thus of removing their limitations. This demand to change consciousness amounts to a demand to interpret reality in another way, i.e. to recognise it by means of another interpretation. The Young-Hegelian ideologists, in spite of their allegedly "world-shattering" statements, are the staunchest conservatives.
Karl Marx
There's also the Mao and Nixon "love in", the homophobia, the rebuilding of Catholic Cathedrals and Churches post-WW2, the Bolsheviks' allowing Sharia Law post-revolution, Shachtman and Neo-Conservatism, Christopher Hitchens....the list could go on.
But basically, Marx's name and the Marxist paradigm has been associated with a lot of shit....and if standards were consistent, then old Adam Smith would be vilified!
Though if you really want a "winner", then, as YKTMX pointed out, depending on how you define Marxism, I think nothing was worse that First World War German Social-Democracy.
As their slogan read: Workers' of Germany -- PILLAGE!
What the hell is wrong with rebuilding cathedrals and churches? If people want to practice their beliefs, let them do so. Communism isn't about crushing someone's beliefs.
To me it's the Red Khmer and Pol Pot. Together with Hitler and the NSDAP they're the worst regime the world has ever seen.
But there are a lot of disgusting things. North-Korea, Stalin's crimes, Mao's crimes, and the crimes of all the other leaders. There were very few 'communist' leaders who really wanted the best for the population. And the problem with these guys is that they weren't pragmatic enough and made mistakes.
lenin's NEP is also a big one in my opinion.
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The Nazi War Machine flattened whole cities....don't you think it would have made more sense to rebuild homes rather than monuments to superstition?
Indeed, the renovation of old buildings is very labour intensive, so the superstitious can do that if they want....the employees of the Russia State should not show any support for Religion.
And aside from that, Architecturally speaking, Cathedrals are shit....steel-framed buildings are the way to go.
I imagine people who promote bourgeois liberalism and fascism will flourish in a post-revolutionary society.
Just some advice here, don't conflate post-modernism with communism....they just don't go together.
And by the way, I'm offended that you tried to "crush" my "belief" that the Russian CP shouldn't have rebuilt Catholic Cathedrals.
Can I ask why?
Since, according to their fantasy, the relationships of men, all their doings, their chains and their limitations are products of their consciousness, the Young Hegelians logically put to men the moral postulate of exchanging their present consciousness for human, critical or egoistic consciousness, and thus of removing their limitations. This demand to change consciousness amounts to a demand to interpret reality in another way, i.e. to recognise it by means of another interpretation. The Young-Hegelian ideologists, in spite of their allegedly "world-shattering" statements, are the staunchest conservatives.
Karl Marx
The Chinese reovlution getting crushed in 1926 as wella s the spannish and gemran reovlutions being defeated. Spain more so as it should have been won.
In what relations do the Communists stand to the proletarians as a whole? The Communists do not form a separate party opposed to other working class parties. They have no interests separate and apart from those of the proletariat as a whole. They do not set up any sectarian principles of their own, by which to shape and mould the proletarian movement.
-Karl Marx
It is only by strengthening ourselves ideologically, inculcating in ourselves the values and ideals of the struggle and building up the ranks of the revolutionary party that we will make it.
- Ta Power
Stalin's and Mao's crimes to humanity in the name of Socialism. Nothing can justify the slaughter of millions of innocent people.
because to me atleast it was introducing capitalism into russia because lenins "socialism" was not working.
had lenin wanted the best for the russians he would have installed capitalism.
it would have been a major step up for the russians but instead lenin forced a lot of poeple to suffer so that he could be dictator.
ofcourse he did manage to get russia on a fast track to modern times but famine was still a problem for a long time.
if i recall correctly the farmers produced 50% of the food for the country on their NEP ground instead of the collective farms.
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I hope your not suggesting Hitler was a socialist?He's right-wing.
The worst points in socialism are Stalin,Mao and Pol Pot.
Well, that's a hard one. But here's a few of my picks for 'all time low':
* The suppression of the Paris Commune.
* The failure of Revolutionary Syndicalism in New Zealand in the early 20th Century (although it may seem strange considering what NZ was and is like, the Revolutionary Syndicalist movement was incredibly strong and only became involved in bourgeois politics very late compared to the rest of the labour movement. They also nearly won).
* The Destruction of the Workers Opposition in the Bolshevik Party, as well as the Bolsheviks dropping any pretext of worker democracy, then embracing capitalism with the NEP.
* The horrible treatment of the peasants by the Bolsheviks. Who needs to win people over when you can point a gun in their face!?
* The suppression of the Makhnovists in the Ukraine.
* The failure of the Spainish Revolution and the loss of the Civil War.
* The Setting up of puppet governments throughout Eastern Europe, with the exception of Yugoslavia and Albania, where the Communist installed themselves without Soviet assistance (they actually got more support from the Brits!.
* Yugoslavia nearly being invaded for defying Stalins wishes. I don't think that it was a bad thing that Yugoslavia distanced itself from the USSR and Stalin, but it made life very hard for Yugoslavia for about half a decade.
* The anti-Titoist purges, particularly in Albania and Bulgaria meaning that Titos dreams of a unified Balkan federation were permantly stifled.
* The KKE being defeated in Greece.
* Khrushchev- particularly 'peaceful coexistance' and the 'specialisation of the socialist bloc' (i.e. making the entire bloc economicaly and materialy dependent on the USSR)
* The invasion of Hungary in '56.
* The banning of the Communist Party of Indonesia and the anti-Communist purges that killed over a million people in '60s.
* Invasion of Czechoslovakia in '68
* The suppression of the '68 uprising in France, and De Gaulle subsequently being elected with more support than ever before.
* The failure and collapse of the New Communist movement in the USA. Particularly shameful is the fact that the only party that has been willing to criticise is past actions and make an honest attempt to examine the movements failure is the PLP, who ironically were fairly instrumental in the break up of teh SDS etc.
* The Pol Pot faction of the Khmer Rouge purging all opposition within the Communist Party of Kampuchea and turning Kampuchea into a monumental cluster fuck. (the Pol Potists had complete control by about mid '76)
* Mao's meeting with Nixon in '72.
* The death of Mao Zedong and more importantly, the end of the Cultural Revolution in '76.
* The death of Tito in '80 and the asendency of Nationalist sentiment in Yugoslavia, leading it its ultimate destruction.
* The restoration of full blown capitalism in China.
There are definately others.
"In reality, the difference is, that the savage lives within himself while social man lives outside himself and can only live in the opinion of others, so that he seems to receive the feeling of his own existence only from the judgement of others concerning him."- Jean-Jacques Rousseau
"The emancipation of the working class must be the work of the workers themselves.â€- Flora Tristan
"Both those on the East and those on the West should be clear with the fact that we are not moving away from our road that we beat the path for in '48. That is to say, that we have our own ways. We always bravely say what is right on this side and what is not, and what is right on the other side, and what is not. It should be clear to everyone that we cannot be an appendage to anybody's politics, that we have our own point of view and that we know the worth of what is right, and what is not right."- Josip Tito
The NEP was a retreat and Lenin and the Bolsheviks recognised it as such. You have to place it in the context of starvation and Industrial collapse in the Soviet regime, its international isolation, the continued threat of counter revolution. Sometimes you have to implement policies because they suit the concrete circumstances rather than the abstract theory. The NEP improved the situation in terms of grain production and feeding the cities, which was its purpose.
That would be one of my high points.
Since, according to their fantasy, the relationships of men, all their doings, their chains and their limitations are products of their consciousness, the Young Hegelians logically put to men the moral postulate of exchanging their present consciousness for human, critical or egoistic consciousness, and thus of removing their limitations. This demand to change consciousness amounts to a demand to interpret reality in another way, i.e. to recognise it by means of another interpretation. The Young-Hegelian ideologists, in spite of their allegedly "world-shattering" statements, are the staunchest conservatives.
Karl Marx
my issue with the NEP was that it did not go far enough.
the fact it was implemented is proof that lenin realised that his "socialism" did not work.
instead lenin and his succesors never allowed the NEP to expand and by doing so caused near-food shortages for the biggest part of the USSR's existance.
why did they not expand the NEP ? because it would weaken the foundation of their power namely total control of the poeple.
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Shachtmanism wasn't a terrible thing in and of itself: Its more left wing took a neutral line on the Cold War (The democratic socialist "Third Camp) and consider both sides to be equally evil (I consider this position to be more consistent with Shachtman's views, although I understand based on some of his actions why the rightist view also exists.))...The right-wing, on the other hand, was staunchly pro-US and became a social-democratic (In the modern sense of left-social liberals who want to "humanise capitalism rather than in the traditional sense of reformist Marxists who wanted to use existing democratic institutions to build a Marxist society.) feeder system of sorts (Social Democrats USA) for much of the neo-conservative elite that now runs America's foreign policy in consort with multinationals and religious extremists.
Am I being too charitable to Max here?
oh, here we go with the fat cat bashing
well what do you expect, these yokels are pure baltic avenue, oh.. im lait for the short line railroad.
dialectics isnt a failure, only looks as it was, as lenin,stalin,mao(especially) used dialectics to justify what they did
October, 1917.
"delebo inquit hominem"
"You are my creator, but I am your master.''
then could you please point out the somehow overlooked astounding successes of dialectics ?
and perhaps also explain just what dialectics is i always fail to understand it.
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Can you please explain? I mean obvisously you're no bolsehvik fan but surley that date wasnt 'bad' in paticular?
In what relations do the Communists stand to the proletarians as a whole? The Communists do not form a separate party opposed to other working class parties. They have no interests separate and apart from those of the proletariat as a whole. They do not set up any sectarian principles of their own, by which to shape and mould the proletarian movement.
-Karl Marx
It is only by strengthening ourselves ideologically, inculcating in ourselves the values and ideals of the struggle and building up the ranks of the revolutionary party that we will make it.
- Ta Power
