My main point for this thread is to discuss what the rightists argue/debate, and those opposed to it, to analyze there main points and then refute it, with facts and such, I think by doing this, we would prove our point better during debates and talks with people, and abolish, these seemingly "correct," points. The three points that I think of are:
1) We choose to be gay.
2) Modern times are spreading Homosexuality, because in the past it hardly ever existed, and in today's society, the liberal media is making it cool to be a Homosexual.
3) It will lead to a perverse society, and the eventual collapse of said society.
Point 1: I think the "choosing to be gay," argument is by far the most silly of the three, because most of them say sexual orientation is something your not born with you choose it, and of course they were referring to Homosexuality only, but wouldn't that also mean that they CHOOSE to be Heterosexual? I think this "choosing," ideology is brought upon by the religious conviction that the individual has. If we didn't choose to be gay, and were born that way then god/jehovah/allah, couldn't judge us, when he decreed Homosexuality to be immoral and perverse, which opens up a big contradiction to their religious doctrines; meaning that the all mighty couldn't judge us "perverse," people, since he created all people which means he created us that way, which means he made us perverse, which is saying god made us that way and can't judge us since it's his fault, and so it goes round and round and round.
Naturally speaking, sexual orientation, is determined by birth, for example; many animals are born, and later grow up to only want to mate with the same gender, these animals have no clue about Homosexuality, and Heterosexuality, or morality and immorality, and what have you, all they know is they prefer and are attracted to partners of their own gender, example, Squawk and Milou are two gay penguins at the Manhattan zoo, and I don't think they made a sexual orientation choice. Furthermore why would someone choose to be gay? I think that is silly in and of it self, because right now being a gay individual is a lot more difficult than being a straight one. Why would I choose to be who I am, knowing full well that people will hate me because of it, want to beat me up for no reason other than being gay, and will condemn me to hell, all because I like people from "my own locker room."
Point two: Homosexuality has existed, probably since the dawn of man, and in just about every pagan society Homosexuality was excepted, and if you didn't except you where in the minority. Take Greece for example, it was common for a man to have a wife and kids, and also to have a gay lover on the side, or just a gay partner. A gay lover, was considered a compliment to the averages man's life, or just the ordinary partner for the Greek that was Homosexual and not Bi-sexual. Greek culture, literature, and philosophy, is one of the most influential in today's society and a lot of Greek thought can be found in just about every modern scince and literature today. Also in Native America, far away from any jewish, or christian moral influence/thought, Homosexuality was readily embraced, and was known to some tribes as the "two-spirit," tradition, and neither was the Indian Homosexual considered odd, and neither was the individual persecuted, or degraded in any fashion.
In both of these society's it wasn't the "spreading," of Homosexuality as the preachers claim, it was just something that you were, and something that was, and I dare say societies were more peaceful because of it.
Point three: I ask most people who claim this, how so? What makes us more sexual than any other person. So is to assume using that logic that just because we like people of the same gender, that in turn makes us more sexual beings than other people? It certainly isn't true. I am not more sexual than most people, nor am I inclined to be sexual around, or like other males, just because I'm gay. I only like people I'm attracted to both mentally and physically, and contrary to popular beliefs just because your a guy, doesn't mean I'm gonna like you in that way.
Also the straight side of the spectrum is just as sexual, if not more so than the gay side. So really if society were to collapse because of the perversions of the people, it would be everyone's fault, not just us "gays," fault.
Furthermore, all the major cultures of old that embraced Homosexuality, their society didn't collapse because of it, look at Greece, Egypt, and especially China, none of those countries collapsed because of their expectancy Homosexuality, nor did they allow people to marry animals, and rocks or inanimate objects, as the rightists would also claim would happen, if they "allowed," us to marry.
I think if we look back through the pages of history, that it isn't as harmful as people of the right are making it out to be, nor are we infringing on any "sacred," sanctity either. It must be also pointed out, that it's not just religious people who are opposed to Homosexuality, but also people who think it is un-natural. Any thoughts, or more arguments?
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