women after the revolution

[piet11111]

i was wondering about some things regarding women after the revolution.
the first is the expectation that men have to work and women are ok to stay at home (under capitalism)
the second are about clothing should we produce special clothing for women (pants sweaters not underwear)

the first one is that i am used to the idea that women stay at home even if they are without children and take care of the house.
should we be ok with this after the revolution ?
and if yes should we be ok with it if the man stays at home and the woman works even when the couple is without children ?

and regarding clothing should we bother to make typical women's clothing when they can just as easily wear the men's clothing ? (men's clothing is also more comfortable i heared from my sisters)
or should we just get rid of "civilian" clothing and just wear military uniforms ?
personally i would prefer military uniforms because we would only need to produce those instead of hundreds of different clothing types.

im really interested in this since the moment it popped into my head.

[C_Rasmussen]

Why do we always have to have these uckin issues? Why can't we hvsr pn oum og utdrlg/

[piet11111]

Originally posted by C_Rasmussen@Mar 13 2006, 04:17 AM
Why do we always have to have these uckin issues? Why can't we hvsr pn oum og utdrlg/

if you dont want to comment anything usefull you should do us all a favour and throw your computer out of the window.
also feel free to jump out aswell its your right to do so if you wish

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

"should we be ok with this after the revolution ?" - piet11111

Not at all, noone should stay at home, not unless they want to. The main reason women have stayed at home in the past, was because they had to look after children and clean the house.

In a socialist/communist society there would probably very good collective support for partrents and children would not be a burden tp women or men.

"and regarding clothing should we bother to make typical women's clothing when they can just as easily wear the men's clothing ?" - piet11111

Hehe, i think people could determine what they want to wear. I imagine there would be as much choice are there is now. Making clothes is not really that hard. and we will want to be stylish communists after all

"or should we just get rid of "civilian" clothing and just wear military uniforms ?" - piet11111

I am unsure what you have been reading, but why would be all wear military clothes? Would there even be such clothing after a revolution? i hope not, unless people make their own to play dress up or somthing.

Women, and men for that matter, after a socialist revolution can wear what they want, look after kids if they want or not.

A persons gender will bear no influence formally or informally on their life within a socialist society.

Can i just ask a question? Piet11111 why do you think there will be military uniforms after a revolution? why would people want to wear that type of clothing? do you really like green or somthing?

[piet11111]

well its because i assume the revolution will not be a global revolution.
it will be happening in the western world first and we will have to survive the attacks of emerging capitalist nations like the asian "tiger country's" and the south american nations.
it might take century's for those country's to catch up on us.

because of this i consider military duty inevitable for the communist nations.
also the fact military uniforms are much more dureable then ordinary clothes makes economical sense to unly use military uniforms in the early years to free up production capacity for more essential goods.
also military boots are quality stuff you cant go wrong with a pair of those no matter where you live.
i doubt a majority of poeple would like to wear military uniforms but objecting to wear them seems very unlikely to me.
and ofcourse we would need to keep producing military goods in order to support foreign rebellion against capitalism (or fuedalism in backwards country's) i see it as an obligation to advance their social evolution as much as possible even if it means clearing the way for capitalism if its a step up for those poeple.

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

"because of this i consider military duty inevitable for the communist nations" - piet11111

"we will have to survive the attacks of emerging capitalist nations like the asian "tiger country's" and the south american nations." - piet11111

This sounds like making a communist society to be based around warfare, that is not a good idea. the military is oppressive.

We dont need large armies. We need an organised and armed proletariate.

And nuclear weapons, and as the west already has a monopoly on them and the technology, i doubt we will be invaded. It would be too risky.

anyway, i dont think we should be talking about this in the Discrimination forum, hehe.

[Dr Mindbender]

I thought the whole purpose of a revolution was to liberate both men and women from the status quo in order they can pursue their individual ambitions without being burdened without the chastisement of society or state.

[piet11111]

Originally posted by Ulster Socialist@Mar 13 2006, 06:11 AM
I thought the whole purpose of a revolution was to liberate both men and women from the status quo in order they can pursue their individual ambitions without being burdened without the chastisement of society or state.

it is and that is why im curious if they still require special clothing and the current tolerance of women staying home while the man are expected to work.

i wanted to know about the feminist oppinion of these matters.

also im curious is womyn a feminist alternative for woman ? if so im sorry for using the latter form.

[TC]

Some of the stuff in this thread is just so stupid:

the second are about clothing should we produce special clothing for women (pants sweaters not underwear)

Wtf makes women's clothing 'special' and men's clothing standard?

the first one is that i am used to the idea that women stay at home even if they are without children and take care of the house.
should we be ok with this after the revolution ?
and if yes should we be ok with it if the man stays at home and the woman works even when the couple is without children ?

No. No individual should be in a depedent financial relationship with another individual it creates an uneven power dynamic between them allowing for an exploitive relationship. Its not appropriate for anyone to stay at home including children.

and regarding clothing should we bother to make typical women's clothing when they can just as easily wear the men's clothing ?

Men can just as easily wear women's clothing...its just that they look silly...likewise women look silly in men's clothing. thats stupid.

men's clothing is also more comfortable i heared from my sisters)

Only because its too big lol. You could wear oversized women's clothing to the same effect.

or should we just get rid of "civilian" clothing and just wear military uniforms ?
personally i would prefer military uniforms because we would only need to produce those instead of hundreds of different clothing types.

Thank god you're not in any position of authority.

im really interested in this since the moment it popped into my head.

If this is really interesting to you you must not have a lot to think about.

it will be happening in the western world first and we will have to survive the attacks of emerging capitalist nations like the asian "tiger country's" and the south american nations.
it might take century's for those country's to catch up on us.

Um, does it look like its the mid 19th century to you? No. Capitalisms development into imperialism and neo-liberalism shifted the main points of class struggle from the center (the west) to the periphery (the third world), which is why there is communist revolution in the third world but not in the west, whereas in the 19th and early 20th century it was the other way around. Every successful communist revolution has been in a non-western country, the early unsuccessful communist revolutions in France and Germany and Spain depended on material conditions that no longer exist, that have been 'exported' to the third world.

Your comments are further ridiculous because the south american nations are going communist now, and China is overwhelmingly larger then any of the asian 'tiger economies' which isn't even a contemporary term anymore, it was used in the 80s and 90s.

[piet11111]

TragicClown why so hatefull ?

i have a chaotic mind that generates strange ideas some of them i find interesting enough to learn more about.
perhaps its that aspergers aspect of mine that causes this i dont know but i do know that einstein and da vinci where probably autists like me and also had an over active imagination its not something i cant live with.

the entire reason i started this thread is to hear some opinions from poeple like yourself about the things i mentioned.
i did not expect to recieve such a hostile post directed against me.
and fyi since the west is the most advanced in terms of economics we are the only logical place for communism to be achieved according to marx.
unless ofcourse you consider those leninist/maoist catastrophy's communist ofcourse.

and the term tiger country's is the one i was tought from obviously obsolete school books.
i blame it on the government for not providing the funds to keep schools up to date.

also dont you even think its a good thing from me to ask other poeple's opinion about this stuff because i want to know more ?
afterall the only stupid qestion is the one that is not asked dont you agree ?

[redstar2000]

This may be helpful...

Women and Communism -- Speculations

[C_Rasmussen]

Originally posted by piet11111+Mar 12 2006, 10:30 PM--> (piet11111 @ Mar 12 2006, 10:30 PM)

C_Rasmussen

@Mar 13 2006, 04:17 AM
Why do we always have to have these uckin issues? Why can't we hvsr pn oum og utdrlg/

if you dont want to comment anything usefull you should do us all a favour and throw your computer out of the window.
also feel free to jump out aswell its your right to do so if you wish [/b]

Oh shut the fuck up. Anyway sorry for that comment as I was oblviously drunk last night. I just figure that they'd be sooo much freer after the revolution.

[Goatse]

Well they'd be free to do what work they pleased and it would be up to the couple who looked after the children at what times... although it's quite likely a lot of people will stick to the tradition that women are the child carers, and men the labourers.

Although would some people be looked down upon if they only cared for their kids and did little work other than that? But then again, working hours would be reduced, so young children could be cared for 24/7 and both partners could still do a lot of work.

[piet11111]

poeple that want to look after their kids should not be looked down upon but i wanted to take a "normal" situation where the woman stays at home and replace it with the man staying home.

today such a thing happening is very bizarre and often ridiculed.
as such i was curious how others thought of it as i dont have a problem with it.