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there are so many
are any of them actually serious? is there any way to find out which is the biggest, like, biggest membership?
please don't call me a reformist :P
"There is no other definition of socialism valid for us than that of the abolition of the exploitation of man by man" - Ernesto Che Guevara
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'Freedom without Socialism is privilege and injustice, and that Socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality.'
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SWP have the most members.
SP are the biggest in terms of resources and influence.
Both are reformist piles of pseudo-capitalist shit.
"How you cling to your purity, young man! How afraid you are to soil your hands! All right, stay pure! What good will it do? Why did you join us? Purity is an idea for a yogi or a monk. You intellectuals and Bourgeois anarchists use it as a pretext for doing nothing. To do nothing, to remain motionless, arms at your sides, wearing kids gloves. Well, I have dirty hands. Right up to the elbows. I've plunged them in the filth and blood. But what do you hope? Do you think you'll govern innocently?"-Jean-Paul Sartre
Hey, that's not nice! Just because we refused your application! We still love ya though:P
But yeah, the two that stand out the most are The Socialist Worker's Party (Tony Cliff) and the Socialist Party (First RCP, then Militant, Taaffe). I can't speak for SWP, but the SP are pretty serious on their platform. Teh link: Socialist Party
"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read."- Groucho Marx
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what about RESPECT
Respect
Equality
Socialism
Peace
Enviroment
Community
Trade unionism
"There is no other definition of socialism valid for us than that of the abolition of the exploitation of man by man" - Ernesto Che Guevara
'The Great World Power Has Not Yet Found The Weapon To Destroy Dreams' Subcomandante Marcos
'Freedom without Socialism is privilege and injustice, and that Socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality.'
no one takes them seriously enough. And their party leader likes Saddam Hussein.
"How you cling to your purity, young man! How afraid you are to soil your hands! All right, stay pure! What good will it do? Why did you join us? Purity is an idea for a yogi or a monk. You intellectuals and Bourgeois anarchists use it as a pretext for doing nothing. To do nothing, to remain motionless, arms at your sides, wearing kids gloves. Well, I have dirty hands. Right up to the elbows. I've plunged them in the filth and blood. But what do you hope? Do you think you'll govern innocently?"-Jean-Paul Sartre
Yeah, their party leader has many faults, for example he generalised, us, iraqis on Big Brother.
Since the SP is being plugged here, I can't help but also list Socialist Appeal.Originally posted by Socialistpenguin@Mar 12 2006, 12:59 PM
Hey, that's not nice! Just because we refused your application! We still love ya though
But yeah, the two that stand out the most are The Socialist Worker's Party (Tony Cliff) and the Socialist Party (First RCP, then Militant, Taaffe). I can't speak for SWP, but the SP are pretty serious on their platform. Teh link: Socialist Party
In brief, the split between the two occured when Peter Taaffe (a comrade strong in organisation and weak in theory) pulled a classic takeover of Millitant, kicking out it's theoretical leaders such as Ted Grant, Alan Woods, Rob Sewell, and others. Roughly 80 or so of the best cadres of Millitant joined them upon their expulsion and formed Socialist Appeal. Since then the SP has fallen greatly in membership, while Socialist Appeal has grown considerably from the modest number who founded it. It's also worth mentioning that the wide majority of the international surrounding Millitant sided with Socialist Appeal.
Although my sympathies clearly lie with Socialist Appeal, who I consider to be vastly superior in their understanding of Marxism, I'm going to refrain from sparking off a sectarian debate on the subject. Of course, the two groups have very different stories about the events which took place surrounding the split. In fairness, here are the two versions of the story. If you're interested in the history of British socialism, please read both and decide for yourself.
Socialist Party's Version
Socialist Appeal's Version
I'm not going to go into the SA/SP debate but I'm just interested in hearing how you account for the above aspect of the split. As far as I'm aware, the SP took a much larger chunk of the International.
There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror... --- Mark Twain
