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hey, ill post more later, but there have been some press articles about a National Socialist Movement rally in Lansing Michigan around April 22(?). ill be back
http://www.mediamouse.org/briefs/120605white.php
Holy crap, anyone around here in Michigan? Any leftist groups that could organize to stop these fucks? April 22 is a ways away and we need the time to build up massive resistance to these fools. It would be awesome if we outnumbered them by a huge amount and just their asses down. We need that kinda victory to put these psychos on the defensive.
Which failed; I went to jail at the age of 15
A young buck selling drugs and such who never had much
Trying to get a clutch at what I could not... could not...
The court played me short, now I face incarceration
Pacing -- going upstate's my destination
Handcuffed in back of a bus, forty of us
Life as a shorty shouldn't be so rough
But as the world turned I learned life is hell
Living in the world no different from a cell
-Wu-Tang Clan "CREAM"
This is the same group that was in Toledo last year. League and IWPA members in the Midwest are already beginning to organize for this.
Miles
Or you could just ignore them and have NO one show up...not give them the attention they crave so much.
hell no, theyll think they got away with it and be happy. we need to outnumber them instead of ignore them, cuz if we ignore them theyll think the left is dead and isnt active.
First you are jsut making them feel how they want...you are giving them a platform to speak to, if NO ONE shows then who will they talk to....
NO ONE
They CRAVE attention.....you are now giving them a bigger spot in the news because no doubt they will kick what ever left assembles asses 9Those guys aren't there to mess around) this will jsut give them what they want...
Why don't people understand that?
First, it is naive to think no one will show up. Fascists show up to these events all the time. If we abstain from counterprotesting, then all that happens is that we give the fascists a free hand.
At nearly every antifascist event I have been to in the last 15 years (and, let me put it this way, I've lost count of how many that is), it has been the antifascists who kick their asses. Only once has this not happened, and that time it was a stalemate. I don't think that's what the fascists want.
And, finally, people don't "understand" your position because every single concrete example over the last period proves you wrong.
Miles
Word.
Trust me, if we ignore them, they will not just go away. We have to prove to these people that they're ideas are not accepted by the rest of humanity, and that we are willing to fight them to stop them. I've actually read some online posts by neo-Nazi's concerning anti-fascist action, they usually consider being left alone a major victory, whereas they usually complain when they get driven out by protestors. One tactic I've heard of is them showing up in plainclothes, scoping out the scene to see how many protestors came out, then bailing if they don't have numbers.
Which failed; I went to jail at the age of 15
A young buck selling drugs and such who never had much
Trying to get a clutch at what I could not... could not...
The court played me short, now I face incarceration
Pacing -- going upstate's my destination
Handcuffed in back of a bus, forty of us
Life as a shorty shouldn't be so rough
But as the world turned I learned life is hell
Living in the world no different from a cell
-Wu-Tang Clan "CREAM"
It is important for counterprotesters to be present.
But also, the National Socialist Movement are their own worst enemies.
With their swastikas, brownshirts etc. they are permanently marginalized.
I doubt they will ever have much influence.
Give them attention all you want, wunderbar.
I will be there to show the fascist scum how much they are welcome in michigan.
I have lived in the monster and I know its entrails; my sling is David's. -Jose Marti
...revolutionaries are anti-civilisation because we are opposed to what class society defines as 'civilized' and desireable; because class society and 'civilization' are two-sides of the same coin. Hierarchal organisation, parliaments, commerce, property rights, the police, law and order, fences, borders, religious institutions, these are the things that define 'civilization.' These are the institutions upon which 'civilized society' and class society are based; and all of these will be destroyed when capitalism, the state --- when bourgeois society is pulled down and trampled on by the exploited and oppressed in the struggle for liberation. - bleeding gums malatesta
ill absolutely be there, even tho i think that the Minuteman group are an even greater threat. but i'll also be trying to help with some alt resistance.
for example, here in chicagoland we're going to ask for people to donate a certain amount of money for every minute the NSM/Klan speaks or rallies to go to local groups. so, if someone offers $1 per minute, then the Nazis will be helping us fundraise for causes that they despise, and we will let them know that.
this way, we offer them an incentive to shut the fuck up, and we also get to confront them. perhaps other cities could do the same.
Stormfront has a thread on the rally if interested.
http://www.***************/forum/showthread.php?t=274882
From stormfront:
I have lived in the monster and I know its entrails; my sling is David's. -Jose Marti
...revolutionaries are anti-civilisation because we are opposed to what class society defines as 'civilized' and desireable; because class society and 'civilization' are two-sides of the same coin. Hierarchal organisation, parliaments, commerce, property rights, the police, law and order, fences, borders, religious institutions, these are the things that define 'civilization.' These are the institutions upon which 'civilized society' and class society are based; and all of these will be destroyed when capitalism, the state --- when bourgeois society is pulled down and trampled on by the exploited and oppressed in the struggle for liberation. - bleeding gums malatesta
so they had their rally. most press reports estimated 75 neo-nazis and 500 antifas, with 16 arrested (i assume theyre all antifas, like usual, but the press didnt say, as usual)
Any news stories on this?
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/
There were at least 1,000 at the demonstration, facing off against about 50-75 Nazis.
Miles
I attended the rally yesterday. It wasn't anything spectacular, there was a large police presence and they had to call in the mounted cops to a few times to protect some of the nazi supporters. I only saw tear gas used once.
Security was tight eveyone attending had to pass through checkpoints, no backpacks, no containers (which meant no water), weapons etc.. We were subject to searchs and filming while we went through.
I'd say about 75 nazis 500 police and 800 protesters. I also saw a few different swat teams. I was actually pretty funny, even the police didn't really want to protect the nazis and seemed to let them get beat up a little before aiding them.
Once the official rally was over it got a little crazier, the police herded everone out of the official protest and the merged with a visably more radical crowd. The crowd proceded to mob some nazis in the streets and throw rocks at the advancing cops. This turned into a march down some street ( i dont know i'm not from lansing) while chanting various slogans.
My favorite was "Cops and Klan go Hand in Hand"
I have lived in the monster and I know its entrails; my sling is David's. -Jose Marti
...revolutionaries are anti-civilisation because we are opposed to what class society defines as 'civilized' and desireable; because class society and 'civilization' are two-sides of the same coin. Hierarchal organisation, parliaments, commerce, property rights, the police, law and order, fences, borders, religious institutions, these are the things that define 'civilization.' These are the institutions upon which 'civilized society' and class society are based; and all of these will be destroyed when capitalism, the state --- when bourgeois society is pulled down and trampled on by the exploited and oppressed in the struggle for liberation. - bleeding gums malatesta
since state and local law enforcement pretty much use the exact same formula for every big fascist/antifa rally confrontation, does anyone have any knowledge of a good article or otherwise that gives a good history of how this came to be? was it after greensboro, or is it more recently from the 1990s or what?
One Peoples Project had a good write up:
OPP Article
Bash the Fash!
haha. The same happened at the Valley Forge(Pennsylvania) rally a few years ago. The black bloc was able to get away with different actions for awhile before the police showed up. The best part was one the nazi fucks ran behind the black cops for protection.
