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To me, the hammer and sickle is not a symbol of comunism but of the soviet system. I prefer this design:
http://www.legalize-party.com/IMG/gif/Kipt...-logo-copie.gif
What do you guys think?
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The Hammer Sickle has been used in every true proleteriat and national liberation movement. From the creation of the USSR to Vietnam to the overthrow of aparthiad in South Africa. The oppressed people have no problems with the hammer and sickle and neither do i.
The spiritual atom bomb which the revolutionary people possess is a far more powerful and useful weapon than the physical atom bomb. - Lin Biao
Our code of morals is our revolution. What saves our revolution, what helps our revolution, what protects our revolution is right, is very right and very honourable and very noble and very beautiful, because our revolution means justice
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ditto.
Yours is very nice too, but the hammer and sickle represents historical class struggles. That's not something you just turn your back on.
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It's not mine, it is the symbol of British based Zapatista solidarity group.
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it would be not a bad idea if we'd ALL change all the hammer and sickle thingies we ALL use, might take away some of the prejudice towards our beliefs...cuz face it, an opressive murderous regime used it as a symbol for almost a century.
then again, i can also get where the rest in this topic are coming from...
oh and not to be annoying but there's nothing wrong with the soviet system, which just means council system. Problem is stalin fucked it up.
ο λαός θα πεί την τελευταία λέξη - αυτές οι νύχτες είναι του αλέξη!
Freedom without equality is privilege - Equality without freedom is a barracks
'Engels, my brother from another class,
we haz got to get fucked up on the grog, and then revolt...if the lessons of the Paris Commune has taught as such, the working class cannot lay hold of the ready made bourgeoisie alcohol, they must smash it, and get pissed on cheap methylated spirits.
holler,
marxy.'
- BCBM=AndreasBaader
Mmh yeah, but who can guarantee the next symbol will not be misused again? That way we can keep shifting symbols. Maybe it'd be better if we prove Stalin and his kind wrong. After all, it's all about the revolution, and not symbols, right?
I don't think that there is any problem with the symbol other than that it became (to me) in a way boring. Inventing another symbol and using it sometimes (but not completely removing the old symbol) is a good thing. I like the symbol of that group.
yea sure
but
would be nice if i could draw a hammer and sickle-ish symbol without people thinking i support one of the greatest mass murderers in history ya know..
ο λαός θα πεί την τελευταία λέξη - αυτές οι νύχτες είναι του αλέξη!
Freedom without equality is privilege - Equality without freedom is a barracks
'Engels, my brother from another class,
we haz got to get fucked up on the grog, and then revolt...if the lessons of the Paris Commune has taught as such, the working class cannot lay hold of the ready made bourgeoisie alcohol, they must smash it, and get pissed on cheap methylated spirits.
holler,
marxy.'
- BCBM=AndreasBaader
I love the Hammer and sickle. I feel all fuzzy inside when I see it.
[FONT=Garamond]"It's Socialism, it WILL work or you will all suffer the consequences!!!!!!! ARRRGHH!"[/FONT]
the hammer and sickle is a great symbol and shall not be replaced. it has represented and united class struggles all around the world. the other symbol is cool but we already have a symbol
Is that from one of the C&C's?Originally posted by Socialist Advocate@Feb 6 2006, 03:45 PM
the hammer and sickle is a great symbol and shall not be replaced. it has represented and united class struggles all around the world. the other symbol is cool but we already have a symbolI love those games.
Edit: I'm refering to the image
I have lived in the monster and I know its entrails; my sling is David's. -Jose Marti
...revolutionaries are anti-civilisation because we are opposed to what class society defines as 'civilized' and desireable; because class society and 'civilization' are two-sides of the same coin. Hierarchal organisation, parliaments, commerce, property rights, the police, law and order, fences, borders, religious institutions, these are the things that define 'civilization.' These are the institutions upon which 'civilized society' and class society are based; and all of these will be destroyed when capitalism, the state --- when bourgeois society is pulled down and trampled on by the exploited and oppressed in the struggle for liberation. - bleeding gums malatesta
Some of my favourite logos:
[FONT=Garamond]"It's Socialism, it WILL work or you will all suffer the consequences!!!!!!! ARRRGHH!"[/FONT]
I dunno, i found it in an image search.Originally posted by Datura inoxia+Feb 6 2006, 03:50 PM--> (Datura inoxia @ Feb 6 2006, 03:50 PM)Is that from one of the C&C's?@Feb 6 2006, 03:45 PM
the hammer and sickle is a great symbol and shall not be replaced. it has represented and united class struggles all around the world. the other symbol is cool but we already have a symbol
Edit: I'm refering to the image [/b]
What is the C&C's anyway?!
Picture posted by Komrad J is looks nice.
Command & Conquer, a series of RTS-based games.Originally posted by Socialist Advocate+Feb 11 2006, 02:50 PM--> (Socialist Advocate @ Feb 11 2006, 02:50 PM)I dunno, i found it in an image search.Is that from one of the C&C's?@Feb 6 2006, 03:45 PM
the hammer and sickle is a great symbol and shall not be replaced. it has represented and united class struggles all around the world. the other symbol is cool but we already have a symbol
Edit: I'm refering to the image
What is the C&C's anyway?! [/b]
Originally posted by RedFaction+Feb 12 2006, 10:50 AM--> (RedFaction @ Feb 12 2006, 10:50 AM)Originally posted by Socialist Advocate+Feb 11 2006, 02:50 PM--> (Socialist Advocate @ Feb 11 2006, 02:50 PM)
Is that from one of the C&C's?
Edit: I'm refering to the image [/b]Command & Conquer, a series of RTS-based games.
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Yeah, you get to work for comrade stalin in one of 'em.
It's from the new game Hammer & Sickle Which should be coming out in Australia later this month...
[FONT=Garamond]"It's Socialism, it WILL work or you will all suffer the consequences!!!!!!! ARRRGHH!"[/FONT]
I like this:
and this:
"We are now becoming a mass party all at once, changing abruptly to an open organisation, and it is inevitable that we shall be joined by many who are inconsistent (from the Marxist standpoint), perhaps we shall be joined even by some Christian elements, and even by some mystics. We have sound stomachs and we are rock-like Marxists. We shall digest those inconsistent elements. Freedom of thought and freedom of criticism within the Party will never make us forget about the freedom of organising people into those voluntary associations known as parties."
--Lenin
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Deigo Armando, it would be great if those two could be combined into one. I love them both.
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