homosexuality

[Angry Young Man]

as a gay as well as a leftist, i wanted to know what other leftists' views are. i would presume that idealists such as myself are tolerant, but i have read that in cuba, gays are imprisoned. even so, i think socialism is more open to diversity than neo-liberalism, although here in britain, the working class can be rather homophobic. what can be done to combat this negative bourgeois attitude? and is this typical bourgeois preachings motivated by "divide and conquer"?

[ReD_ReBeL]

im also from the UK so hey, i couldent give a fuck what sexual preference someone holds and my family is working class. But yes i agree i've noticed that alot of the UK working class are homophobic and racist(thats my opinion from experience not an actualy statistic) . It's fine to be gay in Cuba these days im sure. U got to remember it was illegal to be gay in most parts of the world if not every in the 1960's .

[Sentinel]

Originally posted by chairmanmick
i have read that in cuba, gays are imprisoned.

I believe the government has at least in the later years been working to reduce homophobia in the country. It's sometimes really hard to know what is true when you read news from Cuba in the west..

here in britain, the working class can be rather homophobic. what can be done to combat this negative bourgeois attitude? and is this typical bourgeois preachings motivated by "divide and conquer"?

The cappies indeed laugh their asses off watching the proletariat tear itself apart with racism and homophobia. :angry:

But as was discussed in another thread earlier, what they don't realise is that the flow of time only goes forward, and capitalism itself will unite the proletariat that'll overthrow it:

http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/ind...howtopic=44518

It's in the capitalists nature to do whatever keeps the money rolling in. Because of that they are already beginning to try to get profits of the gay subculture.

But that will result in being gay becoming "hip" and "cool", and finally in time entirely accepted.

In the same way, when the capitalists import labor to keep the unemployment rates
high, they are creating a multicultural world, and with that eventually a multicultural worker's movement.

In time people in the west will get used to living in the same house as someone from Iran and borrowing a cup of sugar from those somalis next door.

Being from a multicultural suburb of Stockholm myself I've seen this happen.

I'd not like to quote Stalin since I'm not really a big fan of his (even though I admire some of his accomplishments), but he said something very fitting to this phenomenon.

The capitalists will sell us the rope we hang them with!

[Comrade J]

I fully agree, and Stalin did have a point there.
By promoting acceptance amongst different categories are people, the capitalists are uniting the proletariat. I wonder what they do when we finally accomplish our goals of unification, where race, gender, sexual orientation etc. don't matter? Surely they will accept there is a threat then and take measures?

[Sentinel]

Originally posted by Comrade J
Surely they will accept there is a threat then and take measures?

Propably, but then we'll kick their asses.

[Abood]

i'm not gay, but...
well, i think ppl should have their rights.. it doesnt affect any1 else if sum1 is gay or not.
mind ur own damn business. even if u believe in god, then its up to him to punish what he thinks is wrong or right.. not U!
if sum1 is gay, its not up to u to decide what to do with him :angry:
or are u god now!??! :angry:
sorry, im just talkin to those close-minded fukkers out there :P

[C_Rasmussen]

Personally I have no problem with gay people. I believe that they should have the same rights as others seeing as they can&#39;t help how they are. I DO draw the line however when they start coming onto me <_<.

[commiecrusader]

Nothing wrong with people being gay, bi or straight. I don&#39;t think anyone should judge people for their sexuality. Least of all an imaginary higher being who is the reason given for many of these prejudices anyway.

[Sentinel]

i&#39;m not gay, but...

Typical initial comment from someone straight living in a homophobic environment.

Homophobia is or should be entirely out of question if you&#39;re on the left, however,
so I don&#39;t think nobody here cares about your preferences.
Unless it is in some not yet revealed way relevant to the topic that is.

I naturally agree with you on your point of course:

Nobody has a say in anyone&#39;s sexual preferences unless they are hurting another person.

Tell them that in Kuwait, comrade&#33; I&#39;ll try to do my part here in Sweden.
(somehow I feel that I got the easier job)

Sweden is pretty enlighted on this issue and has strong anti-discrimination laws.
But we still have a long road to walk..

[Sentinel]

Originally posted by C_Rasmussen
I believe that they should have the same rights as others seeing as they can&#39;t help how they are.

Why should they? Why do I get the vibe that you might think there is something wrong with being gay?

I DO draw the line however when they start coming onto me

How do you react to that?

[C_Rasmussen]

Originally posted by The Sentinel+Jan 23 2006, 01:51 PM--> (The Sentinel @ Jan 23 2006, 01:51 PM)

C_Rasmussen

I believe that they should have the same rights as others seeing as they can&#39;t help how they are.

Why should they? Why do I get the vibe that you might think there is something wrong with being gay?

I DO draw the line however when they start coming onto me

How do you react to that? [/b]

...and why do I get the vibe that you&#39;re being paranoid and not realizing that I&#39;m sticking up for people who are gay <_<

I tell them not to.

[Sentinel]

No offense man I was just wondering since you put it that way.

I&#39;m sticking up for people who are gay

It&#39;s great that you do that.

I tell them not to.

Correct answer. Consider yourself a comrade of mine&#33;

[Abood]

Typical initial comment from someone straight living in a homophobic environment. smile.gif

lol, i was just saying to state that eventho im not gay i do support gay rights, as the person who created this thread is homosexual. and i dunno if im straight, maybe im bi.. im unsure.. hehe.

(Edited to fix spelling mistakes)

[ricardsju]

The workers in my part of new zealand were once open to homosexuals as long as they kept it in the closet but that has changed over the last 10 years from the Americanization of our so call nationalist bourgeois and from rap.

flaming gays and transexuals are viewed in the same fashion as a godsucking yank would.

myself I am not the straightest stick in the bunch.

[Comrade J]

Some people obviously have underlying prejudices, as in they don&#39;t mind homosexuals but if &#39;one comes onto&#39; them, it changes. If you see homosexuality as something normal that you personally aren&#39;t into, can&#39;t you just tell them you&#39;re not interested, like you would if a member of the opposite sex who you&#39;re not interested in comes onto you? So many people think some kind of violent opposition is the only solution in this case.
And again, as much as people accept homosexuality, they rarely want to be associated with it, evident in sentences like &#39;I am not gay, but nothing wrong with it,&#39; as opposed to &#39;Nothing wrong with it.&#39;
This isn&#39;t directed at anyone in this thread, I know some people have said these sentences but they explained their reasons, but we all know that the majority of society (or so it seems) although accepting of homosexuality, do not wish to be associated with homosexuality themselves.
Personally, I don&#39;t tell anyone my sexual preference unless they ask or it is relevant to the conversation, because I don&#39;t think it matters.

[Wanted Man]

Yes, you can basically feel the "if we allow them to, soon we&#39;ll all be assraped&#33;" shining through some posts here.

[Abood]

well, sexual preference doesnt matter that much. sorry if what i said at the beginning was taking offensively, i didnt intend to offend any1

[Sentinel]

Originally posted by Socialist Advocate
well, sexual preference doesnt matter that much. sorry if what i said at the beginning was taking offensively, i didnt intend to offend any1

I dont think anyone was offended, your post was wellmeaning, but consider what we
said. Perhaps you haven&#39;t had that much experience of gay people. We learn all our lives.

Comrade J: You said exactly what I meant.

[Severian]

Originally posted by chairmanmick@Jan 19 2006, 11:11 AM
i would presume that idealists such as myself are tolerant, but i have read that in cuba, gays are imprisoned.

That was only the case from 1965-67. Cuba&#39;s current policies on homosexuality are very different.

Click here for details.

[Wanted Man]

My post was mostly aimed at C_Rasmussen.