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Everyone, there is going to be a urgent protest against Arnold Schwarzenegger's decision not to grant Tookie Williams clemency. The protest will be in Union Square, at 5:30 PM, TODAY (Monday the 12th). It is currently 5:15 PM EST so you have to get there soon! GO!
Which failed; I went to jail at the age of 15
A young buck selling drugs and such who never had much
Trying to get a clutch at what I could not... could not...
The court played me short, now I face incarceration
Pacing -- going upstate's my destination
Handcuffed in back of a bus, forty of us
Life as a shorty shouldn't be so rough
But as the world turned I learned life is hell
Living in the world no different from a cell
-Wu-Tang Clan "CREAM"
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What a silly comment.
You're an internationalist?
Since, according to their fantasy, the relationships of men, all their doings, their chains and their limitations are products of their consciousness, the Young Hegelians logically put to men the moral postulate of exchanging their present consciousness for human, critical or egoistic consciousness, and thus of removing their limitations. This demand to change consciousness amounts to a demand to interpret reality in another way, i.e. to recognise it by means of another interpretation. The Young-Hegelian ideologists, in spite of their allegedly "world-shattering" statements, are the staunchest conservatives.
Karl Marx
Why is it such a silly comment?
You want me to go into it, really? OK
Well, firstly, they're protesting against Arnie's decision, he never claimed they were on some grand mission to singlehandedly 'change his mind'.
Presumably they're protesting in favour of Tookie, which means that the question of whether Arnie listens is irrelevant. We might wish to spread the handship of solidarity with a fellow oppressed human being regardless of what Arnie thinks of the matter.
We might wish to get together with brothers and sisters who feel similar on this issue so as we can all know that there are progressive people out there who feel just as appaled by this decision as us.
Would you like me to continue?
Since, according to their fantasy, the relationships of men, all their doings, their chains and their limitations are products of their consciousness, the Young Hegelians logically put to men the moral postulate of exchanging their present consciousness for human, critical or egoistic consciousness, and thus of removing their limitations. This demand to change consciousness amounts to a demand to interpret reality in another way, i.e. to recognise it by means of another interpretation. The Young-Hegelian ideologists, in spite of their allegedly "world-shattering" statements, are the staunchest conservatives.
Karl Marx
ah, ok. In that case, it was a very silly comment indeed. I withdraw it.
He deserves to die according to many members of this board. He murdered several people I believe. There was (very recently) a heated debate on if murders and rapists should be executed.
Personally, I couldnt care less.
Hasta la vista, Tookie.
</div><table border=\'0\' align=\'center\' width=\'95%\' cellpadding=\'3\' cellspacing=\'1\'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id=\'QUOTE\'>Now its all about whiny teens with their shitty soap operas</td></tr></table><div class=\'signature\'>-C Rasmussen
You're silly comment will be forever immortalized in the quote by YouKnowTheyMurderedX.
Goodbye Tookie, no one deserves to die by the hands of the US prison system.
So would you say that if there was ever a leftist revolution that the revolutionaries should be killed as murderers? I (and many others) view Tookie as another victim of the Class War, exposing the way racism and capitalism create social problems and drive people to form gangs.
Which failed; I went to jail at the age of 15
A young buck selling drugs and such who never had much
Trying to get a clutch at what I could not... could not...
The court played me short, now I face incarceration
Pacing -- going upstate's my destination
Handcuffed in back of a bus, forty of us
Life as a shorty shouldn't be so rough
But as the world turned I learned life is hell
Living in the world no different from a cell
-Wu-Tang Clan "CREAM"
Um, excuse me, but wasn't Tookie a racist criminal who murdered 3 asians just cause they were asians?
Do not say that we have nothing,
We shall be masters of all under heaven!
Anyone dumb enough to believe that they can singlyhandedly wage a revolution by killing a few people deserves to die.
You werent in the CC for that discussion. When (and if) you get in, look up the thread about death penalty for murderers and rapists in a communist society.
Quite honestly, Tookie wasnt your friend. Gang violence is not your friend. I am not saddened that the bastard is dead.
</div><table border=\'0\' align=\'center\' width=\'95%\' cellpadding=\'3\' cellspacing=\'1\'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id=\'QUOTE\'>Now its all about whiny teens with their shitty soap operas</td></tr></table><div class=\'signature\'>-C Rasmussen
It was actually related to two robberies, no one knows for sure whether or not he killed them because they were asian.
Sad to see a reformed killer, now peace activist, killed.
"How you cling to your purity, young man! How afraid you are to soil your hands! All right, stay pure! What good will it do? Why did you join us? Purity is an idea for a yogi or a monk. You intellectuals and Bourgeois anarchists use it as a pretext for doing nothing. To do nothing, to remain motionless, arms at your sides, wearing kids gloves. Well, I have dirty hands. Right up to the elbows. I've plunged them in the filth and blood. But what do you hope? Do you think you'll govern innocently?"-Jean-Paul Sartre
As far as I am aware, he hasn't even admitted that he killed those people. So he can hardly be considered a "reformed character."
He murdered people in a robbery, not because they were Asian.
And if the rest of you can't see the connection between a racist, capitalist society and the prevalance of gang warfare, well then I can see why the left is often criticized for being out of touch with humanity. I never said he was trying to wage a revolution single-handedly. I said he was a Class War victim because he was part of a system that drives individuals to crime, to misery, to oppression, to gangs, in order to create any semblance of security or stability in their lives. Tookie was one of the few individuals who was able to see that system for what it is and expose it in his writings. For that I commend him as a true victim of the class war, far more of a victim than any stupid middle-class activist who gets himself arrested. As far as all of you racist, pro-death penalty, middle class assholes, you all can go to hell.
Which failed; I went to jail at the age of 15
A young buck selling drugs and such who never had much
Trying to get a clutch at what I could not... could not...
The court played me short, now I face incarceration
Pacing -- going upstate's my destination
Handcuffed in back of a bus, forty of us
Life as a shorty shouldn't be so rough
But as the world turned I learned life is hell
Living in the world no different from a cell
-Wu-Tang Clan "CREAM"
So, I guess you could say the same about murdering Imperialists in Iraq? Just "victims" of Class War?
Take your stupid apologist-for-gang-murderers bullshit somewhere else!
I liked your posts up until now, but this is just stupid. The guy murdered some innocent people in a robery, he founded a violently bloody gang, and now he's dead. GOOD!
I'm glad he's dead.
hmm im not glad hes dead. i dont wish any1 dead, but some people here seem to be forgetting that he 'apparently' murdered a whole family. now come on u cant honestly kill like 3 ppl and thn become reformed and preach against violene, and now somehow cause u codemn violence is supposed to forget tht u murdered 3 ppl. the people he murdered cannot get theres lifes back and thy where innocent. So i'm not particulary bothered if hes gets executed or not. He's just putting himself and his family in the same situation as he put the people he murdered and there families. so i dont see how some people can be sympathetic. even if it was'class-war' the people he killed did not doa thing to him.
You act liket he US is some sorta evil for executions, while Cuba executes people for bring drugs into the country and other similar drug cases.
Oh in that case it's all OK.
Why the hell did he find the need to kill 3 people in a robbery??
I'm quilty as charged in the latter accounts (perhaps even the asshole part) but calling me a racist would be a bit far-fetched. Cuz I'm not...and your hero obviously is:
This is the version that I've heard.
Edit: I know the quote is a little incoherent but that's just bad English from my friend. Just concentrate on the "buddha heads" part.
Do not say that we have nothing,
We shall be masters of all under heaven!
Been as this event is over and a debate over "Tookie's" character has presented itself. I have moved this topic to politics so that more people will see it.
Racist is a pretty heavy term to throw around, especially here. You may want to get to actually know the people before you begin slinging mud.
Tookie was a murderer. I dont care that he has died. There is a huge difference between theft, and the murder of three people.
I dont think anyone would have noticed if he was white.
</div><table border=\'0\' align=\'center\' width=\'95%\' cellpadding=\'3\' cellspacing=\'1\'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id=\'QUOTE\'>Now its all about whiny teens with their shitty soap operas</td></tr></table><div class=\'signature\'>-C Rasmussen
