I'm planning a nice propaganda campaign and am currently designing some fliers. Graphics aren't really a problem, but I need some slogans, specifically dealing with Ireland. I've got the basics "Free Ireland" "up the ra" etc.
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I'm planning a nice propaganda campaign and am currently designing some fliers. Graphics aren't really a problem, but I need some slogans, specifically dealing with Ireland. I've got the basics "Free Ireland" "up the ra" etc.
'heavens above, how awful it is to live outside the law - one is always expecting what one rightly deserves.'
petronius, the satyricon
If you're going for the Provo angle then "Tiocfaidh Ár Lá" is usually the old reliable.
March at the head of the ideas of your century and those ideas will follow and sustain you. March behind them and they will drag you along. March against them and they will overthrow you.
Napoleon III
How about actually using slogans which aren't completely secterian and alienate the majority of the population? How about taking a class approach to the Northern question?
Not Green Against Orange, But Class Against Class
There were two “Reigns of Terror,†if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors†of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror... --- Mark Twain
Up the RA? That is fucking great man.
I saw a guy at the September 24 protests with Tiocfaidh Ár Lá on the front of his shirt and "Up the RA" on the back. I told him the RA fuckin kicks ass.
Economic Left/Right: -9.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.49
Red rebel skinhead and proud.
''Brits beware, the IRA have had their weetabix'' < always chuckled at that.
''Beware a Risen People'', that used to written on a lot of walls and doesn't sound so alienating.
That's not quite as big as it used to be...
To BOZG - Irish slogans automatically alienate unionists & loyalists but when these people are basically fascists, who cares? - To show solidarity with working-class protestants you could use what Bulrog posted but otherwise it is a matter of course that these slogans will offend someone.
Tiocfaidh Ár Lá (exact spelling)
Fagáigí An Bhealach As Sluaite na bhFiann - Basically "beware a risen people" but "as Gaeilge"
Is Fearr Gaeilge Briste ná Béarla Cliste - It's better broken Irish than smart English
1905 - 2005; 100 years of republicanism
"Who are the loyalists of Ulster?..... They are loyal to Britain yet ready to disobey her; they reject clerical tyranny yet oppose secularism; they proclaim an ideology of freedom and equality, except for Catholics; they revere law and authority, then break the law."
"most of my best conversations with unionists were in the toilets’" - Gerry Adams
"Instead of building schools for (Catholics), we should use the money (to build) an incenerator to burn them all in" - George Seawright in 1984
“It is not true that people stop pursuing dreams because they grow old, they grow old because they stop pursuing dreams.†- Gabriel Garcia Marquez
"What forces can bring the national question to a successful conclusion? Only the working class can do so." - Ta Power
Fuck the IRA.
As BOZG said, make it class against class. The good classics:
"No war between nations, no peace between classes."
"Your freedom's being bought, steal it."
The IRA is a terrorist organization in some cases, don't support them.
He who was previously the money-owner now strides out in front as a capitalist; the possessor of labour-power follows as his worker. The one smirks self-importantly and is intent on business; the other is timid and holds back, like someone who has brought his own hide to market and now has nothing else to expect but - a good tanning. - Karl Marx, Capital Volume I
You do that
How can a group be "a terrorist organization in some cases"? - They either or they aren't, make up your mind.
How can you call yourself a revolutionary then come out with imperialist, reactionary crap like calling the IRA terrorists? Do you also classify freedom fighters such as the ANC, FARC or the INLA as terrorists?
“It is not true that people stop pursuing dreams because they grow old, they grow old because they stop pursuing dreams.†- Gabriel Garcia Marquez
"What forces can bring the national question to a successful conclusion? Only the working class can do so." - Ta Power
What a pile of crap, National pride should never overpower International Revolutionary tones.
Wait... do you support the IRA?
"How you cling to your purity, young man! How afraid you are to soil your hands! All right, stay pure! What good will it do? Why did you join us? Purity is an idea for a yogi or a monk. You intellectuals and Bourgeois anarchists use it as a pretext for doing nothing. To do nothing, to remain motionless, arms at your sides, wearing kids gloves. Well, I have dirty hands. Right up to the elbows. I've plunged them in the filth and blood. But what do you hope? Do you think you'll govern innocently?"-Jean-Paul Sartre
- my actual physical response.
Does the Pope shit in the woods?
EDIT - Additives Free went back and changed his post quoted above into an actual point
The cause of labour is the cause of Ireland, the cause of Ireland is the cause of labour. They cannot be dissevered.
-James Connolly
“It is not true that people stop pursuing dreams because they grow old, they grow old because they stop pursuing dreams.†- Gabriel Garcia Marquez
"What forces can bring the national question to a successful conclusion? Only the working class can do so." - Ta Power
Finally, a bit of friggin' sense.
Economic Left/Right: -8.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.05
And unnatural, irrational, sinful, wicked, unjust, devilish and tyrannical it is, for any man whatsoever - spiritual or temporal, clergyman or layman - to appropriate and assume unto himself a power, authority and jurisdiction to rule, govern, or reign over any sort of men in the world without their free consent...
John Lilburne, 1647
I'm not anti-intellectual, I'm just not an intellectual.
Capitalism will eat itself.
Equality and cooperation must be encouraged and the scourge of sectarianism stamped out but this 'class against class' approach won't work while protestant working-class communities are bastions of hatred towards nationalists/catholics.
“It is not true that people stop pursuing dreams because they grow old, they grow old because they stop pursuing dreams.†- Gabriel Garcia Marquez
"What forces can bring the national question to a successful conclusion? Only the working class can do so." - Ta Power
as to the original question before it was hijacked -
an old republican phrase: "béidh an bua againn" / "the victory will be ours"
The IRSP use these phrases:
"Saoirse Go Deo" / "Freedom Everywhere"
"No war but the class war"
"beir bua" / "until victory"
"My alliegence is to the working class" - Seamus Costello, IRSP cofounder
"Let the fight go on." - Patsy O'Hara, hungerstriker, INLA POW
"Among the best traitors Ireland has ever had, Mother Church ranks at the very top; a massive obstacle in the path to equality and freedom." - Bernadette Devlin McAliskey
"We cannot conceive of a free Ireland with a subject working class; we cannot conceive of a subject Ireland with a free working class. But we can conceive of a free Ireland with a working class guaranteed the power of freely and peacefully working out its own salvation." - James Connolly
Conghaileach showed me this one (the quote in the original Irish)
Class hatred burned in me before I ever read a word of Connolly or Das Kapital.
- Máirtín Ó Cadháin
"Bhí an fuath aicmeach seo gríosta ionam i bhfad sul ar léigh mé an chéad fhocal den Chonaolach ná de Das Kapital."
'...the proletariat, not wishing to be treated as a canaille, needs its courage, its self-esteem, its pride, and its sense of independence more than its bread.' Marx...★
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'From its origin the bourgeoisie was saddled with its antithesis: capitalists cannot exist without wage workers' - Engels, Socialism: Utopian and Scientific
Stop Killer Coke
IWhat? Class transcends religion, belief, everything. The exploited class have that in common, they are exploited. How can we unite against capitalism, without confronting the dogma (religion) that divides us.
I don't agree with your approach. A leftist wouldn't want to take power from London and put it in Dublin. What would really change? everyone would still be under the boot of capitalist Hierarchy, it'd just have a different flag. Making matters worse you actually put emphasis on Religious sectarianism and make no suggestion of actually confronting it.
Why waste time and lives on changing who our capitalist oppressors are, when we can just remove oppression.
"How you cling to your purity, young man! How afraid you are to soil your hands! All right, stay pure! What good will it do? Why did you join us? Purity is an idea for a yogi or a monk. You intellectuals and Bourgeois anarchists use it as a pretext for doing nothing. To do nothing, to remain motionless, arms at your sides, wearing kids gloves. Well, I have dirty hands. Right up to the elbows. I've plunged them in the filth and blood. But what do you hope? Do you think you'll govern innocently?"-Jean-Paul Sartre
As does hatred.
First off, Unionists/Loyalists are not exploited; although there are rising levels of unemployment and discontent in Loyalist areas this is only coming because their complete political control is coming to an end.
Secondly, we are not divided by religion; its is sectarianism and the rascism of Unionists that divide us. It used to be that Andersontown, Ballymurphy, Twinbrook would be considered 'Catholic'; they are now referred to as Nationalist. Anyone who lives in the North of Ireland can understand the apathy towards the Churches amongst Nationalists and even some Unionists - blame Ian Paisley and the DUP for dragging the spectre of religion back into the debate when Sinn Féin and Nationalists are eager to move away from it.
Where are you getting this from when did I say this? I advocate a thirty two-county socialist reoublican United Ireland, just like any other Irish Republican.
I guess you're just slow...
You are ill-informed if you believe the goal of Republicanism is simply 'Brits Out' - read some Connolly to realise how Republicanism incorparates Nationalism and Socialism. http://www.marxists.org/archive/connolly/1...xx/scirenat.htm
“It is not true that people stop pursuing dreams because they grow old, they grow old because they stop pursuing dreams.†- Gabriel Garcia Marquez
"What forces can bring the national question to a successful conclusion? Only the working class can do so." - Ta Power
First off, Unionists/Loyalists are not exploited; although there are rising levels of unemployment and discontent in Loyalist areas this is only coming because their complete political control is coming to an end.
Secondly, we are not divided by religion; its is sectarianism and the rascism of Unionists that divide us. It used to be that Andersontown, Ballymurphy, Twinbrook would be considered 'Catholic'; they are now referred to as Nationalist. Anyone who lives in the North of Ireland can understand the apathy towards the Churches amongst Nationalists and even some Unionists - blame Ian Paisley and the DUP for dragging the spectre of religion back into the debate when Sinn Féin and Nationalists are eager to move away from it.
And whats wrong with hatred? Hate against the rulling class is surely good, isn't it?
I don't think the IRA are very socialist. No true socialist organisation would target civillians.
Which is largely racist? As if 'brits' are no human enough to live im Ireland. I wonder, if the IRA had their way, what would their opinion be of people like me? I was born on the UK mainland, yet am largely Irish. Would I be kicked out? Beaten up? killed?
Which is largely racist? As if 'brits' are no human enough to live im Ireland. I wonder, if the IRA had their way, what would their opinion be of people like me? I was born on the UK mainland, yet am largely Irish. Would I be kicked out? Beaten up? killed?
Are we discussing the theory or the practice? connolly spoke a lot of sense, and yes, I understand how Socialist movements can ride the back of Nationalist ones...but it seems the more right-wing supremacist types have a majority control over the IRA and similar groups.
"How you cling to your purity, young man! How afraid you are to soil your hands! All right, stay pure! What good will it do? Why did you join us? Purity is an idea for a yogi or a monk. You intellectuals and Bourgeois anarchists use it as a pretext for doing nothing. To do nothing, to remain motionless, arms at your sides, wearing kids gloves. Well, I have dirty hands. Right up to the elbows. I've plunged them in the filth and blood. But what do you hope? Do you think you'll govern innocently?"-Jean-Paul Sartre
I meant the sort of blind sectarianism that is rampant in the North, in both communities.
First off, the IRA were the Irish Republican Army, thus socialist beliefs were intertwined with the anti-imperialism.
Secondly, you have obviously no idea about the struggle if you think the IRA targeted civilians.
...?
"And you dare to call me a terrorist while you look down your gun
When I think of all the deeds that you have done -
You have plundered many nations
Divided many lands
You have terrorized their people
You ruled with an iron hand
And you brought this reign of terror to my land"
- Joe McDonnell by the Wolfe Tones
“It is not true that people stop pursuing dreams because they grow old, they grow old because they stop pursuing dreams.†- Gabriel Garcia Marquez
"What forces can bring the national question to a successful conclusion? Only the working class can do so." - Ta Power
Any claim that equates the entire Protesant community as fascists is nothing but anti-Protestant, reactionary drivel that serves only to further alienate the Protestant working class from any attempt as class unity. And anyone that promotes that is no socialist or no comrade. You're nothing but reactionary scum.
There were two “Reigns of Terror,†if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors†of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror... --- Mark Twain
Exactly, true socialism requires Democracy, Direct Democracy, not Republicanism.
Our land.
"And you dare to call me a terrorist while you look down your gun
When I think of all the deeds that you have done -
You have plundered many nations
Divided many lands
You have terrorized their people
You ruled with an iron hand
And you brought this reign of terror to my land"
- Joe McDonnell by the Wolfe Tones
"How you cling to your purity, young man! How afraid you are to soil your hands! All right, stay pure! What good will it do? Why did you join us? Purity is an idea for a yogi or a monk. You intellectuals and Bourgeois anarchists use it as a pretext for doing nothing. To do nothing, to remain motionless, arms at your sides, wearing kids gloves. Well, I have dirty hands. Right up to the elbows. I've plunged them in the filth and blood. But what do you hope? Do you think you'll govern innocently?"-Jean-Paul Sartre
How many times to I have to repeat that Republicanism is Socialism? (and thus Direct Democracy)
Your face
My fist
“It is not true that people stop pursuing dreams because they grow old, they grow old because they stop pursuing dreams.†- Gabriel Garcia Marquez
"What forces can bring the national question to a successful conclusion? Only the working class can do so." - Ta Power
