Abort Black Babies to Reduce Crime

[BuyOurEverything]

No. But he is saying the existence of Black people causes crime. Josh, I'm curious why you think this is true?

That's not entirely it. He's saying that aborting black fetuses would cause a drop in the crime rate. Is this not correct? The same could be said about fetuses from poor parents, immigrant parents, mafia parents, etc. I could be mistaken (and correct me if I'm wrong) but there is a higher crime rate among blacks. Obviously, this is because the average income of black people is lower than that of whites, and consequently property crime is higher, as it is among all poor people regardless of race. However, this doesn't change the fact that statistically speaking, it is true.

No. He's saying revenue is not the best argument to use in order to try to ban abortion.

False. He's saying revenue is an invalid argument for abortion. Buddy comes along and says 'what about all the tax money the gov. lost out on from aborted fetuses?' and Bennet replies that it is irrelevant because abortion is wrong period.

While he's obviously full of shit regarding his stance on abortion, his point is that issues regarding morality/ethics should not be decided monetarily, a point which I think most people on this board (Bennet's personal morality notwithstanding) would agree with.

[Severian]

Originally posted by BuyOurEverything@Oct 2 2005, 03:22 PM
That's not entirely it. He's saying that aborting black fetuses would cause a drop in the crime rate.

Tomato tomahto.

I could be mistaken (and correct me if I'm wrong) but there is a higher crime rate among blacks. Obviously, this is because the average income of black people is lower than that of whites, and consequently property crime is higher, as it is among all poor people regardless of race.

I guess it is higher, as the cops figure these things. (E.g. Dow illegally dumping toxic waste and causing cancer isn't counted in the murder rate. The Enron fraud isn't counted in the theft rate.)

Dunno about that explanation for why the rate might be higher. I'm leery of the liberal "poverty causes crime" argument. Not sure if it's supported by evidence, and it implies poor people are criminals.

But that's all beside the point.

My main question is, how do you get from there to less Blacks = less crime? You'd have to assume that fewer Black people = fewer poor people, which in turn requires the assumption that poverty is caused by "ethnic diversity" rather than, say, capitalism.

I'm here to tell ya, if capitalism didn't have Black and Latino people to do the lowest-paying jobs, there'd still be somebody doing 'em.

[Hampton]

The highest crime rate is among people with two or more racial backgrounds, African Americans come in second.

If you aborted every black fetus there would another group of people who took the role that they were going to occupy in the society, in effect, the lowest group in America. Whether the crime rate rose or dropped then would be up to how society treated them, how they were raised, opportunities they had, and other things.

[deak]

Wwll, there is absolutely no solid fact that race or even class has a causal relationship for the crime rate. We do have biased numbers that reflect more on the racist practices of the police. Most arrests are also involving not a REAL crime with a victim but of drug posession. According to David Cole, a law professor at Georgetown University, blacks only make up 13 percent of illegal drug users, however, 74 percent of all those incarcerated for drugs are black. “Common sense, then, dictates that if the police conducted pretext stops on the campus of U.C.L.A. with the same frequency as they do in South Central, a lot of whites would be arrested for drug possession, too” . Trust me, I used to work in Over the Rhine in downtown Cincinnati and I would say the majority of people that came into the neighborhood were white folks, yet the black sellers and users were the targets of almost all of the arrests. Because of these kind of factors I cannot reasonably be convinced that there is actually more overall crime in the black community as a whole. Possibly in certain locations but I tend to believe that rich white people do illegal things in their work practices everyday, it's just no one catches them. And I also feel that just as many rich white kids smoke grass and use smack as the black community (a lot of which are not poor).

Whether Mr. Bennett believes blacks should be killed or not is almost a mute point, suggesting that blacks are somehow predespossed for lives of crime is just a racist and possible worse than the other. Most people don't agree that balcks should be aborted, but most whites believe the latter false assumption.

Here's his responce as found on CNN:
"I'm not racist, and I'll put my record up against theirs," referring to Pelosi and other critics. "I've been a champion of the real civil rights issue of our times -- equal educational opportunities for kids."

HA! yeah i'll be glad to test that record!

[Severian]

And by equal educational opportunities for kids, he means vouchers - gutting public education in order to subsidize Catholic parochial schools.

[Black Dagger]

I'm leery of the liberal "poverty causes crime" argument. Not sure if it's supported by evidence, and it implies poor people are criminals.

What's a more convincing argument?

[Karl Marx's Camel]

I hope Bennett joins his master, Ron Reagan soon.

I hope only if he would be killed by an anti-racist group, by a black group etc. Otherwise such people can turn into martyrs.


***Headlines***
"Bennet, a leading politician in the United States under the Reagon administration, died Wednesday, age 58, after fighting cancer for five year until he passed away"

[Axel1917]

Ugh! What a flaming heap of nonsense! Biological determinism was pretty much ripped to shreds when the human genome was mapped. It is sickening to see that some cretins still continue to spew forth such garbage.

[viva le revolution]

This from an educated politician? Yankee political intelligence has really taken a nose-dive. I am surprised such openly-racist and idiotic leaders can come to power in a country that invented political-correctness.
What surprises me even more is that nobody is there from the left to challenge these dupes.

[Ownthink]

Originally posted by viva le revolution@Oct 3 2005, 01:56 PM
This from an educated politician? Yankee political intelligence has really taken a nose-dive. I am surprised such openly-racist and idiotic leaders can come to power in a country that invented political-correctness.
What surprises me even more is that nobody is there from the left to challenge these dupes.

All of it, quoted for truth.