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    I got this from an email, and I think it sums things up well. Use some of these facts in some arguments you may face. These are good because the organizations that found these statistics are regarded as respectable even in some capitalist societies.

    Messageboards, fliers, whatever. Make this knowledge known, push back the corporate agenda of anti-socialist hatred implemented in the education system.

    With increased reports that depict Cuba and Venezuela as enemies, as well as more desire for oil, these nations are still in danger. These regimes must weather every storm of the dollar that bares down on them.

    The only good neoliberal is an impaled one.
    Ditto for neocons.

    America faces two choices.
    Resist or buy.

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    "Please let this end all the lies from the Cuban exiles about how bad Cuba is and whatnot. All these statistics come from

    UNESCO - United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization
    UNDP - United Nations Development Programme
    UNSD - United Nations Statistics Division
    EPICA - Ecumenical Program in Central America and the Carribean
    CIA World Factbook
    UNICEF

    So what are the exiles response to this? No way the United Nations woud be making these statistics up.

    Literacy Before & After The Revolution
    1952 59%
    2005 97%


    Life Expectancy Before & After The Revolution
    1955 59.4 years
    2005 76.6 years


    Infant Mortality* Before & After The Revolution
    1958 60
    2005 5.8
    * The number of deaths of infants under one year old in a
    given year per 1,000 live births in the same year.

    Infant Mortality Rate*
    Haiti 93.35
    Bolivia 57.52
    Guyana 38.37
    Peru 38.18
    Dominican Republic 33.41
    Ecuador 33.02
    Nicaragua 32.52
    Honduras 30.48
    Paraguay 28.75
    El Salvador 27.58
    Mexico 24.52
    Trinidad & Tobago 24.20
    Suriname 23.48
    Colombia 23.21
    Panama 19.57
    Argentina 17.20
    Dominica 15.94
    Grenada 14.63
    Jamaica 13.71
    French Guinana 13.22
    Barbados 11.71
    Costa Rica 10.87
    Puerto Rico 9.30
    United States 7.00
    Cuba 5.80

    Youth Literacy Rate
    Haiti 67.0%
    Honduras 86.4%
    Brazil 95.8%
    Colombia 97.2%
    Mexico 97.4%
    Argentina 98.7%
    Cuba 99.8%


    Adult Literacy
    Haiti 45%
    St Lucia 67%
    Dominican Republic 82%
    French Guiana 83%
    Bolivia 83%
    Brazil 83%
    Jamaica 85%
    Peru 88%
    Puerto Rico 89%
    Ecuador 90%
    Venezuela 91%
    Colombia 91%
    Paraguay 92%
    Suriname 93%
    Chile 95%
    Argentina 96%
    Cuba 97%

    Human Poverty Index*
    Haiti 42.3%
    Honduras 20.5%
    Brazil 12.2%
    Mexico 9.4%
    Colombia 8.9%
    Cuba 4.1%
    * Lower is better.

    Persons Per Doctor
    Haiti 15,100
    Honduras 1,850
    Colombia 1,100
    Brazil 825
    Dominican Republic 795
    United States 470
    Cuba 290

    Persons Per Hospital Bed
    Haiti 14,115
    Honduras 950
    Colombia 690
    Dominican Republic 670
    Brazil 322
    United States 280
    Cuba 200

    Unemployment Rate
    Haiti 70%
    Guadeloupe 27.8%
    Argentina 25%
    French Guiana 21%
    Suriname 20%
    Paraguay 17.8%
    Colombia 17%
    Uruguay 15.2%
    Dominican Republic 15%
    Venezuela 14.1%
    Ecuador 14%
    Trinidad & Tobago 11.8%
    Chile 10.1%
    Puerto Rico 9.5%
    Guyana 9.1%
    Peru 9%
    Bolivia 7.6%
    Canada 7.2%
    Brazil 6.4%
    United States 5.8%
    Cuba 4.1%

    Inflation Rate
    Suriname 59.00
    Ecuador 22.00
    Haiti 14.00
    Venezuela 12.30
    Brazil 7.70
    Colombia 7.60
    Paraguay 7.20
    Jamaica 6.90
    Mexico 6.50
    Guyana 6.00
    Puerto Rico 5.70
    Dominican Republic 5.00
    Argentina 4.00
    Uruguay 3.60
    Chile 3.50
    United States 3.00
    Canada 2.80
    French Guinana 2.50
    Bolivia 2.00
    Peru 1.50
    Cuba 0.50

    Proportion of Population with Access to Improved Sanitation
    (Urban and Rurual)
    Haiti 28%
    Mexico 74%
    Honduras 75%
    Argentina 82%
    Colombia 86%
    Cuba

    Women In Parliamentary Seats
    Haiti 4%
    Honduras 6%
    Brazil 9%
    Colombia 12.2%
    United States 14%
    Mexico 15.9%
    Argentina 31.3%
    Cuba 36%

    Other Facts


    Cuba is among the top five Latin American countries in protein and calorie intake.


    Cuba has compulsory education through the ninth grade and available to 12th grade to all youth; university enrollment exceeding 200, 000 with another 90, 000 students graduating annually from one of 600 technical and professional training institutes -- all absolutely free.


    The average Cuban worker has ten years of education; one of every ten scientists in Latin America and the Caribbean is in Cuba (although Cuba makes up only 2% of the region's population).


    In Cuba, 50% of all skilled workers or professionals (including physicians) are women & 29% of management positions are held by women.


    Ninety-four percent of the population has electrical service in Cuba, surpassing the rest of Latin America and the Caribbean by some 20%. Television reaches even remote mountain areas and Cuban radio covers the entire island.


    The Cubans have built formidable pharmaceutical, genetic engineering and biotechnology industries, and have twenty scientific research centers investigating products from inexpensive pharmaceuticals to "green medicine."


    The majority of Cubans own their homes. During the urban reforms in the early sixties, those Cubans paying rent to landlords who had fled to Miami, continued to pay the same rent to the State for a period of 5 to 10 years after which time the house or apartment became theirs. Servants who lived in the houses of the rich paid rent to the State and became owners of those homes after a period of years. New homes were bought with a government mortgage for approximately $5, 000 (with a 2% to 4% interest rate payable over 20-30 years, paid off at no more than 10% of the chief breadwinner's income).


    Gas bills in Cuba average 2-4 pesos (8-16 cents) a month; electricity 5-7 pesos (20-28 cents) a month; telephone 6-8 pesos (24-32 cents) a month, the first 300 minutes being free. As you can see, all these services are subsidized by the State.


    In 1999, the Latin American Laboratory for the Evaluation of Educational Quality (LLECE) tested 4, 000 students in third and fourth grades in 100 randomly selected schools in 14 Latin American countries. Cuba's Elementary Education came out on top. The Cuban children scored 350 points on a scale of 400. Despite the economic blockade, the State maintained free education with a 1, 585 billion pesos educational budget in 1999. School enrollment is 100% on the elementary level, and 95% on the secondary level. There is one teacher per 40 children compared to one per 103 in the world. While in 1959 Cuba had only 3 Universities, it now has 47 which have graduated 600, 000 students. In 1952, less than 50% of Cuban children went to school, over 40% of the population was illiterate, and 10, 000 of the existing 25, 000 teachers were unemployed. Now, every child has access to free education, remains in school through 6th grade, and then continues on with secondary education. In most Latin American countries 50% of all enrolled children leave by 4th grade.


    A divorce usually takes about 3 months in Cuba and costs $5. Everything is split equally between the separating couple. If there are children involved, the ex-husband has to pay 10% of his wages as alimony, and usually leaves the house so that his ex-wife and children can live in it.


    In Cuba, sovereignty resides in the people. Over 97% of the people eligible to vote, vote in an electoral system which serves to nominate and then elect those best suited to fulfill their position. There are three Assemblies: the Municipal Assembly, the Provincial Assembly, and the National Assembly. In the Municipal Assembly, neighbors nominate their candidates who are finally selected by secret ballot vote by the entire constituency. The fact that candidates are not nominated by the Communist Party but by the people themselves, itself marks the democratic nature of the process. In the same way, the election of the members for the Provincial and National Assemblies are selected by secret ballot vote by the people directly. The last electoral process in Cuba began in June 1997 and finished on Feb. 24th, 1998. The previous election took place 5 years earlier, 1992/1993. The election process has two phases: it consists of (1) electing the delegates for the Municipal Assembly, and (2) electing the deputies to the Provincial and National Assemblies.


    The Cuban Constitution (discussed and created through numerous public meetings and adopted by secret ballot in a referendum in 1976) states, in the First Article of the Electoral System, Article 131, that: "All citizens with the legal capacity to do so, have the right to take part in the leadership of the State, directly or through their elected representatives to the bodies of People Power, and to participate for this purpose and as prescribed by law in the periodic elections and people's referendums through free, equal, and secret vote." In Cuba, you will find grass-roots democracy never seen anywhere else in the world, where the people themselves nominate their candidates for election. A candidate must get more than 50% of a secret ballot vote to get elected. Even Fidel Castro has to get 50% of a secret ballot vote to represent the electorate. Every candidate nominated faces the electorate on his/her own merit.


    The Communist Party is forbidden by law to play any role in the elections. The only publicity allowed candidates is a posted biography with a photograph of the candidate. They are not allowed to spend money on furthering their chances for selection. Neither are State organizations permitted to issue statements favoring any candidate.


    In order to join the Partido Comunista Cubano (PCC - Cuban Communist Party), Cubans must be chosen as model workers by their co-workers.


    Cuba's highest leadership body is the Council of State, of which Fidel Castro is the elected President. He was last elected on February 24th, 1998 (all 601 deputies of the National Assembly, by secret ballot vote, chose him to be the President).


    Despite all the media coverage of all the people leaving by boat, by percentage, few Cubans actually leave Cuba, and there are many issues involved. Firstly, before the Cuban Revolution the United States gave very few Cubans visas to come to the United States, but after the revolution the doors were opened wide. Secondly, the United States has held an unjust trade embargo against Cuba for 40 years (which has been condemed several times in the United Nations by almost every country in the world) which has caused the people of Cuba to suffer. Finally, the United States enacted the 'Cuban Adjustment Act', the only act of its kind anywhere in the world, which grants residency to anyone, no matter if they are a criminal or not, who leaves Cuba and reaches the United States in any fashion. Imagine if the same act applied to all of Latin America! How many people from other countries would leave for the United States? How many people leave places like Mexico and the Dominican Republic now?"
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    The time to speak the truth has come... The government of the United States cannot be on the side of peasants because it is an ally of the landowners. It cannot be on the side of workers anywhere in the world because it is an ally of the monopolies. It cannot be on the side of colonies because it is an ally of the colonizing powers.
    --Fidel Castro
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    HEY.. that all comes from the Cuba Truth Project that we launched a couple of weeks ago!

    Good to see the info getting around!
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    Why do you guys make Cuba out to be a fantasy island? It's not. It's far from that.
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    Why do you guys make Cuba out to be a fantasy island? It's not. It's far from that.
    :angry: Says you.
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    Originally posted by YoUnG192@Sep 20 2005, 03:55 AM
    Why do you guys make Cuba out to be a fantasy island? It's not. It's far from that.
    Way to refute the concrete statistics
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    You list all the so called good, why not list all the bad as well and be balanced
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    Originally posted by YoUnG192@Sep 20 2005, 04:48 PM
    You list all the so called good, why not list all the bad as well and be balanced
    You are the one arguing against this why dont you give YOUR arguments?
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    You got this from the myspace che guevara group because I posted that. I'm Aasin.
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    Originally posted by Colombia@Sep 22 2005, 04:47 PM
    You got this from the myspace che guevara group because I posted that. I'm Aasin.
    I'm CDR. I'm in the group.
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    The time to speak the truth has come... The government of the United States cannot be on the side of peasants because it is an ally of the landowners. It cannot be on the side of workers anywhere in the world because it is an ally of the monopolies. It cannot be on the side of colonies because it is an ally of the colonizing powers.
    --Fidel Castro
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    That all sounds great and wonderful but I'd like to hear some negative points about Cuba.
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    Originally posted by Jello@Sep 22 2005, 08:07 PM
    That all sounds great and wonderful but I'd like to hear some negative points about Cuba.
    Main problem is the political system at the mo, dunno what statistics or owt there are for anything like that mind
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    This stuff is all good, but it still doesn&#39;t make Cuba socialist. If it were socialist, things would be even better.
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    And may I ask comrads who is Cuban here , who has experience the realities of current Cuba, who speaks of its own flesh experienced knowledge and who of merely test books?..........who
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    m cuban and i can say that the gods far out way the bad in the country.. according to my grandfather and grandmother before the revolution they had a hard time living ( hardly any education & didn’t always get food ) simply because they are Nubian .. so I would rather have free education, housing , and food then new buildings or cars ..durrrr h34r:
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    m cuban and i can say that the gods far out way the bad in the country.. according to my grandfather and grandmother before the revolution they had a hard time living ( hardly any education & didn’t always get food ) simply because they are Nubian .. so I would rather have free education, housing , and food then new buildings or cars ..durrrr
    What? sorry brother but I do not understand your point..........eres cubano?
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    Que no comprende? La familia estuveron pobreza antes Castro y ahora son mejor gracias a el.
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    Que no comprende? La familia estuveron pobreza antes Castro y ahora son mejor gracias a el.[QUOTE]

    Hey pedejo aprende a escribir primero.......pobreza se paso anteriormente y ahorita tambiem....when you speak do so with facts, I live there
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    I&#39;m not entirely convinced that Cuba is properly socialist, but it doesn&#39;t mean that I agree that other countries (basically the US) would ever have the right to act towards them in the way they do.

    Probably the worst abuses of human rights in Cuba are in Guantanamo Bay.
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    A divorce usually takes about 3 months in Cuba and costs &#036;5. Everything is split equally between the separating couple. If there are children involved, the ex-husband has to pay 10% of his wages as alimony, and usually leaves the house so that his ex-wife and children can live in it.
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    Main problem is the political system at the mo
    How so?

    This stuff is all good, but it still doesn&#39;t make Cuba socialist. If it were socialist, things would be even better.
    Not neccesarily.
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