Thread: Law 88

Results 1 to 20 of 29

  1. #1
    Join Date Dec 2004
    Posts 2,209
    Rep Power 16

    Default

    What is your opinion on Cuba's Law 88?

    Does anyone have any background information on Law 88?
    If they had faith in me and my motives, they wouldn't need a union

    Starbucks Chairman Howard Schultz
  2. #2
    Join Date Mar 2005
    Posts 954
    Rep Power 14

    Default

    Law 88 is a legitimate response by the Cuban govt against Cuban "dissidents" who support the economic strangling of Cuba. It was a direct response to the Helms-Burton act, and is entirely justified against those "dissidents" who cooperate with the US to reestablish control over Cuba.
    Join The Scottish Socialist Party - For An Independent Socialist Scotland!
    www.scottishsocialistparty.org
    Viva Cuba Libre! Defend Socialist Cuba!
    www.cuba-solidarity.org
    Victory to the Intifada!
    www.scottishpsc.org.uk/
    Scottish Socialist Youth - Fighting Capitalism, Hypocrisy and War!
    www.ssy.org.uk
  3. #3
    Join Date Jun 2004
    Location Paterson
    Posts 875
    Rep Power 15

    Default

    It would help if you give us the details of Law 88.
    Socialism for a better future.
  4. #4
    Join Date Apr 2003
    Location NYC
    Posts 3,038
    Rep Power 20

    Default

    can i get more info on it.
    It goes one for the student who refuses to submit and two for the teacher who is under-paid as shit, and three for the strikes who give young bloods life and four for the years you spent stifled inside.

    Infoshop
  5. #5
    Join Date Mar 2005
    Posts 954
    Rep Power 14

    Default

    Law 88 is a law that basically supports the arrest of anyone who works with the USA, or supports the embargo.
    Join The Scottish Socialist Party - For An Independent Socialist Scotland!
    www.scottishsocialistparty.org
    Viva Cuba Libre! Defend Socialist Cuba!
    www.cuba-solidarity.org
    Victory to the Intifada!
    www.scottishpsc.org.uk/
    Scottish Socialist Youth - Fighting Capitalism, Hypocrisy and War!
    www.ssy.org.uk
  6. #6
    Join Date Jun 2004
    Location Paterson
    Posts 875
    Rep Power 15

    Default

    I've heard of that before, just didn't know it was called Law 88.

    It is a good response to US terrorism on Cuba's government.
    Socialism for a better future.
  7. #7
    Join Date Jun 2004
    Location Earth
    Posts 8,925
    Organisation
    NEET
    Rep Power 86

    Default

    It's fundamentally no different from the laws of any other country. If you got funding from Cuba to overthrow the U.S. government you would be imprissoned.
    "Getting a job, finding a mate, having a place to live, finding a creative outlet. Life is a war of attrition. You have to stay active on all fronts. It's one thing after another. I've tried to control a chaotic universe. And it's a losing battle. But I can't let go. I've tried, but I can't." - Harvey Pekar


  8. #8
    Join Date Dec 2004
    Posts 2,209
    Rep Power 16

    Default

    I have heard the Cuban police can arrest people who are against the Communist Party through Law 88, and through this law, opinions opposing the government are illegal. Is it true?
    If they had faith in me and my motives, they wouldn't need a union

    Starbucks Chairman Howard Schultz
  9. #9
    Join Date Jun 2004
    Location Earth
    Posts 8,925
    Organisation
    NEET
    Rep Power 86

    Default

    I have "heard" that communism was responsible for the deaths of 300,000,000 people.

    I have also "heard" that America is the greatest country on earth.

    What's your point?
    "Getting a job, finding a mate, having a place to live, finding a creative outlet. Life is a war of attrition. You have to stay active on all fronts. It's one thing after another. I've tried to control a chaotic universe. And it's a losing battle. But I can't let go. I've tried, but I can't." - Harvey Pekar


  10. #10
    Join Date Dec 2004
    Posts 2,209
    Rep Power 16

    Default

    So hostile.

    Originally posted by NWOG@Sep 16 2005, 09:10 PM
    Is it true?
    ^
    If they had faith in me and my motives, they wouldn't need a union

    Starbucks Chairman Howard Schultz
  11. #11
    Join Date Jun 2004
    Location Earth
    Posts 8,925
    Organisation
    NEET
    Rep Power 86

    Default

    No.
    "Getting a job, finding a mate, having a place to live, finding a creative outlet. Life is a war of attrition. You have to stay active on all fronts. It's one thing after another. I've tried to control a chaotic universe. And it's a losing battle. But I can't let go. I've tried, but I can't." - Harvey Pekar


  12. #12
    Join Date Jul 2005
    Location New York City, Washington Heights
    Posts 73
    Rep Power 0

    Default

    It is a good response to US terrorism on Cuba's government.
    What US terrorism?
  13. #13
    Join Date Dec 2004
    Posts 2,209
    Rep Power 16

    Default

    Your opinion on this?

    Article 9: Sets prison terms of seven to 15 years to "anyone who...carries out any action aimed at hindering or hurting economic relations of the Cuban state."

    Target: Could be applied against any Cuban who complains to a foreigner about the state of the economy, since such information can lead a potential foreign business partner not to invest on the island.
    http://www.autentico.org/oa09465.php

    The author has a point, I think.
    If they had faith in me and my motives, they wouldn't need a union

    Starbucks Chairman Howard Schultz
  14. #14
    Join Date Dec 2004
    Posts 2,209
    Rep Power 16

    Default


    What US terrorism?
    Normally I wouldn't use Wikipedia as a source, but I add this because this is mostly my contribution:

    United States plans against Castro

    * After Kennedy's election, the President's close advisers set up their own covert structure to eliminate Castro. Launched in November 1961, it was code named Operation Mongoose. [10]

    According to James Bamford in Body of Secrets:

    Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington, D.C. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.

    However closer reading of the Northwoods documents will show that the Joint Chiefs forwarded the document as a preliminary submission for planning purposes.

    * "Then there was Operation Good Times. That involved sowing Cuba with faked photos of "an obese Castro" with two voluptuous women in a lavishly furnished room "and a table brimming over with the most delectable Cuban food." The faked photo would be captioned "my ration is different." [11]

    * 1969-1970: A U.S. officer passed a vial of african swine fever virus to a terrorist group. Six weeks later Cuba suffered the first outbreak of swine fever in the western hemisphere.

    * 1971: Anti-Castro terrorist group releases anti-swine virus in Cuba and Cuban government forced to kill 500,000 pigs. CIA agents delivered sealed container that contained virus to Cuban group in ft. gurlick, panama canal zone. CIA paramilitary center helped train members in para-military ops.

    * In 1981, the CIA released a dengue fever in Cuba, resulting in 340,000 people being infected and 116,000 hospitalized. 158 people, including 101 children, die. Cuba had never before experienced a single case of the disease.

    * "1984 Eduardo Arocena, a counter-revolutionary of Cuban origin and head of the Omega-7 terrorist organisation, stands trial in the US accused of the murder of Felix Garcia Rodriguez, a Cuban diplomat to the UN. Arocena confesses to having introduced 'germs' into Cuba as part of the US biological war against Cuba. He affirms that the dengue outbreak was introduced by terrorist groups into the island." [12] [13] Eduardo Arocena has also held a position as Task Force Chief in the CIA. (ibid)

    * In 2000, four Cuban exiles with ties to the Cuban-American National Foundation (url) were convicted in a Panamanian court of plotting to assassinate Castro during a regional summit. The four were pardoned in 2004 and all but Luis Posada Carriles entered the United States. Posada appeared in the U.S in May 2005, but was arrested and faces extradition to Venezuela. (url) All four men have been accused of working for the CIA at one time or another. [14]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidel_Castro#..._against_Castro
    If they had faith in me and my motives, they wouldn't need a union

    Starbucks Chairman Howard Schultz
  15. #15
    Join Date Jul 2005
    Location New York City, Washington Heights
    Posts 73
    Rep Power 0

    Default

    Wikipedia is a bad source. Anyone can literally edit out any articles, change stats and all, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

    Most seem very old, yes it occured but old. What year was Operation Northwoods, and goodtimes?

    * In 2000, four Cuban exiles with ties to the Cuban-American National Foundation (url) were convicted in a Panamanian court of plotting to assassinate Castro during a regional summit. The four were pardoned in 2004 and all but Luis Posada Carriles entered the United States. Posada appeared in the U.S in May 2005, but was arrested and faces extradition to Venezuela. (url) All four men have been accused of working for the CIA at one time or another.
    Cubans born in Cuba. What does that group have to with the US gov't? Yes exiles wanted Castro dead, so because they wanted him dead the U.S was pursuing this as well in year 2000?
  16. #16
    Join Date Jun 2004
    Location Earth
    Posts 8,925
    Organisation
    NEET
    Rep Power 86

    Default

    What US terrorism?
    Is this a fucking joke??

    The U.S. has been terrorizing Cuba for 46 years..

    The bombings, mercenary invasions, threat of nuclear annihilation, biogical warfare, naval blockade, illegal economic blockade, NUMEROUS assination attempts of leaders, etc. etc. etc.

    Are all well known & documented.. the U.S. itself doesn't even deny it!
    "Getting a job, finding a mate, having a place to live, finding a creative outlet. Life is a war of attrition. You have to stay active on all fronts. It's one thing after another. I've tried to control a chaotic universe. And it's a losing battle. But I can't let go. I've tried, but I can't." - Harvey Pekar


  17. #17
    Join Date Jun 2004
    Location Earth
    Posts 8,925
    Organisation
    NEET
    Rep Power 86

    Default

    Cubans born in Cuba. What does that group have to with the US gov't?


    THEY FUND THEM
    "Getting a job, finding a mate, having a place to live, finding a creative outlet. Life is a war of attrition. You have to stay active on all fronts. It's one thing after another. I've tried to control a chaotic universe. And it's a losing battle. But I can't let go. I've tried, but I can't." - Harvey Pekar


  18. #18
    Join Date Jul 2005
    Location New York City, Washington Heights
    Posts 73
    Rep Power 0

    Default

    Funny how you quote that sentence but not the rest after. Do you really think the United States is actively pursuing the assasination of Fidel Castro in the year 2000? Let alone now?! Sure.

    The bombings
    What bombings? You mean the cubans who bombed the hotels and planes themsevles and the salvadorians they hired.

    mercenary invasions
    Bay of pigs, yeah I'll give you that.

    threat of nuclear annihilation
    Whens the last time we threatened them with nuclear annihilation? I remember at a time Cuba had nuclear weapons as well and tried to keep it a secret.

    biogical warfare
    Do you really believe those stories of a CIA agent giving a canadian a ton of money to create a sea turtle disease so it can land ashore at Cuba. Come on.

    naval blockade, illegal economic blockade,
    Naval blockade, I don't how this is considered terrorism. Illegal economic blockade? Whats illegal about it? Most countries agree with it, hence their still a economic blockade. There wouldn't even be a blockade of any sort if it wasn't for former cubans who insist, they lived in Cuba before take it from them. You guys think communism is this jolly old thing it's not.

    NUMEROUS assination attempts of leaders, etc. etc. etc.
    On who? Name them. Name sources.
  19. #19
    Join Date Mar 2004
    Posts 33
    Rep Power 0

    Default

    I see this no different than the US arresting people who have connections with al-Qaeda.
  20. #20
    Join Date Mar 2004
    Posts 33
    Rep Power 0

    Default

    "[/QUOTE]mercenary invasions[QUOTE]

    Bay of pigs, yeah I'll give you that."



    I am half Cuban and I live in Miami, dude. There are many terrorist and mercenary gusano groups who are not ashamed of it and are treated like heroes here.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts

Tags for this Thread