1: Maybe but definitely if it gets more out of hand.
2: Definitely.
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Should metropolitan police chief Sir Ian Blair quit over the tube shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes and should the officer who shot Jean Charles de Menezes be prosicuted for murder (at the moment he's being charged for manslaughetr but thats all ive heard)?
1: Maybe but definitely if it gets more out of hand.
2: Definitely.
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i cant find any source but i watched on the bbc last night that the cctv fotage of the tube shooting has "gone missing" so id say its getting out of hand
Shooting a innocent human being in the face repeatedly because they "suspected" he was a "terrorist" is no excuse. All who are responsible deserve to be tried for murder as the act is unexcusable "mistake" or not.
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In my humble opinion, the first question was more important than the second.
The chief officer should be severly punished as an example to the rest of the police force, that in this world, order is enforced from above. If the regular cops don't see this, they will continue to do the horrible acts we have seen in the past. Punishing the chief officer will have a huge effect on other chief officers and might dent this wall of ignorance.
As for the officer in question, he should be jailed for life under the title "first degree murder". No questions asked.
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The UK doesn't have a system of first/second degree murder or whatever, its simply manslaughter or murder (may soon be reformed).
The whole operation was obviously an absolute cock up and from the information that seems to be coming out there were definatly mistakes made by the officer in question and his team, and its baffling why they actually shot the bloke. As for the Ian Blair, its laughable that he wasn't 'in full possession of the facts' after the operation when he made those press statements, he was obviously trying to cover something up and should be held accountable.
1. Yes, he should resign. For two reasons.... 1) an innocent man was shot dead by his police officers on his orders and 2) its crystal clear that a cover-up operation is happening in the offices of the Metropolitan Police.
2. The cop who fired the fatal shot should be jailed for life...but in the british jail system he'll be out in 5 years. Life sentences over here are a joke, they usually amount to 10 years at most.
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If I went to jail for ten years now, I wouldn't walk the streets until I was 24.
I would lose my entire youth. Thats a serious penalty. IMHO there's no point in a life sentence. Why reform them if they will never be free again?
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I highly doubt he'll get done for murder, whenever a copper gets put on trial for 'accidentally' shooting someone over here (and it happens more than you might think) pressure from high-ups in the Met usually gets them off with a suspended manslaughter sentence at the most. But yea if it did go to murder I doubt the guy would spend alot of time in the clink.
Well the policemen who shot the scottsman with a table leg on the grounds that he was an irishman with a gun working for the IRA was only discharged from the force was he not? (correct me if im wrong)
Dont really see the point in imprisoning the police officer. If it wasnt him it would have been any other officer, he was just the unlucky one who did it, so punishing him wouldnt serve any purpose, as it wasnt as though it was his thinking or his fault.
As for the Police Chief, he should be put in jail for his lies to the public, but most importantly he should be put in jail in cells seperate to Blair and Clarke, for their masterminding which is the REAL reason why this young innocent Brazilian was murdered, this should happen, if were really looking for justice.
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The chief officer should be tried, as well as those involved in the planning of the operation, for crimes against the British people.
The death of the man was unfortunate and questionable but i see the crime of lying to the people repeatedly as more serious.
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Exactly my point, the bloke lost his job. He didn't end up with 10 years in the nick, I guess the Met just thought that was the lightest thing he could get off with without having to go to prison on getting a suspended sentence or what not...
Or without a public outcry perhaps...
The police didnt care about justice or the family of the victim. They acted on the human instinct of self preservation, an emotion of weakness. Of cowardice, lack of honour, lack of concern for the people, lack of proletarian feeling at all. The yare not one of us. The police who try and cover things up are in bourgeoise territory.
I do see the point in sending him to jail. The reports of the shooting were that while an officer restrained Jean Charles, grabbing his arms, he was then shot by another officer. He never said anything, he shot the man in cold blood. He is a murderer and he deserves to be punished.
The orders were to shoot to kill but Jean Charles had been restrained...even if he had a bomb, he couldnt activate it as his hands and arms had been constrained so he was shot unlawfully.
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A lie told often enough becomes the truth. - Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
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Correct it was a murder, but would it have been any different if it were any other police officer?
Was it the fault of the individual or the position?
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I feel that it was the responsibility of the position. The commanders should not hand out guns to their subordinates if they do not know the consequences. Its like if our PM gave a mental patient an AK 47 and told him to look out for terrorists.
The authorities placed a gun in the hands of someone who could not be trusted. The authorities placed everyones personal safety at risk. Therefore, the superiors should take the blame and the responsibility.
