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Lol. You have a point there.
well some people do support individual terrorism here, which as marxists we should oppose.
The point is, when the govt cracks down on leftwing groups, they will use these sets of laws, they'll use anything to crack down on the left, its happened in the past, and will happen again.
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at the mercy of the state? you think i am likely to get shot at, imprisoned, or investigated (ok, maybe the last one)? the de menezes shooting was an accident and a one off. i cant see it happening again, not with the press that the met have been getting recently.
maybe blair i dont trust over the iraq war, clause 4, renationalising the railways, but why would he try to trick the nation on something as severe of terrorism?
wouldnt you find a way of discrediting whoever made the laws, regardless of who it was anwyays?
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Men can be discredited yes; but in a situation where you can discredit the whole government. Where the mass of the people can discredit a democracy.
It's not right and will get worse.
if i wake up in a few weeks, and we are a facist dictatorship with blair in charge, i'll apologise.
but, until then...
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The lines between freedom and fascism are vague. You cannot see a fascist state coming until its too late. Politicians dedicate their lives to debating with other MPs using lies, deceit, cover-ups and other devices to trick their opponents who are also used to this form of debating. Its not as difficult for them to trick the people who have no political experience and who are attacked with propaganda whenever they watch t.v.
The illusion of freedom is not the same as freedom itself.
Do chara,
Slim.
1. i've always considered facism to be the opposite of freedom. are you telling me that freedom doesn't exist? or that facism is freedom?
2. have you any experience or proof of this? when was the last time it was "too late"?
strangely enough, sometimes politicans don't use dirty tricks. sometimes there are debates, clean ones at that. maybe i don't agree with either point, but there ARE some well balanced debates.
this is true. i was on the station the other day and some woman was complaining about the council moving in gypsies and asylum seekers into former white working class areas in cardiff. but i see this more as a media addled case, than a politics one. how often do people switch on to bbc parliament, or prime minister's question time?
yes, the illusion of freedom is quite different to freedom. personally, i believe that true freedom is almost impossible to have. as someone once said on this board, the biggest chains are those in the mind.
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Fascism is often confused by the people as freedom until it is too late. Im not sure of the most recent time this happened but it happened in Nazi Germany under the people's noses. Another is the United States of America.
Politicians use the cards they hold to their advantage at the cost of those around them. Sometimes the cost is of the people. Always to the hypocricy of their respective offices.
For example, Lord Simon of Highbury, Chairman of BP, was accused of using his company to evict peasants in Columbia and of handing photographs of protestors to the local military. His company has also given millions of pounds to the Columbian army who have killed trade unionists and protestors against the oil industry. However, he is also among the ministers responsible for implementing Britain's "ethical foreign policy".
The British government is full of such figures of hypocricy, injustice, corruption and greed.
By removing the blinding influence of the capitalist state- which will always endeavour to hide the truth- we can bring about a new society of learning. I have made a post on it somewhere. A second but greater age of enlightenment. The chains of the mind will be overcome with the capitalist system.
Do chara,
Slim. HRA.
ah yes, the u.s- that famous facist dictatorship. sieg heil, holocaust, and hanging people off meat hooks.
as far as i know, hitler always wanted rid of other parties, and outlined in mein kampf what he was going to do. the german people (or 33% of it, anyway) understood this, and voted for him, as germany was going through turbulent times.
i suppose a lot of it is. but most are in the cabinet, or are new labour cronies.
i have always thought that the capitalist superstructure will be almost impossible to overcome. overcoming the base is easy enough, but changing history, culture and people's minds is not so easy.
are you irish perchance?
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"i suppose a lot of it is. but most are in the cabinet, or are new labour cronies."
Unfortunately it is not just the MPs. There are quite a few figures in the house of Lords with positions of power and office that are corrupt but identified as legitimate by the commons because of the influence they bring. This corruption has been uncovered by reporters but the government have not acted against these corrupt officials. This, i am afraid, is just the tip of an iceberg of lies and double standards.
"i have always thought that the capitalist superstructure will be almost impossible to overcome. overcoming the base is easy enough, but changing history, culture and people's minds is not so easy.
are you irish perchance?"
I feel that the capitalist system is anti-culture so there would be no culture to remove as such. There would be a vacuum of anti culture cappie conformity that will eventually be filled with the ideals that freedom and expression bring. History cannot be changed; capitalism happened; but we can ultimately learn from mankind's mistakes. The workers will never be exploited by the corrupt again.
I am of Irish descent, yes.
Comradely,
Slim. HRA. Sil Anmachadhra.
