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Since when has any place on earth even been a true democracy?
Also, I just wanted to point out to everyone that this isn't just happening in the UK, but in the US and all over the world. I hope that more of you (reformists) will open your eyes and see that revolution is the only answer.
Quoted for absolute truth.
The people at the moment cannot be seen to be under a democratic system. It can be argued that they are brainwashed by biased media to support authoritarianism.
Remove the corrupt state. Remove the corrupt media.
Install true democracy. Install true freedoms.
May we be the generation that raises spears against this dire threat; may we be those who defy the strong and corrupt in favour of the true and weak. May we destroy the foundations of capitalism and bring about a new age of enlightenment. For the good of humanity. Rise up. Let the walls of their prisons shake to the ground.
It seems to me that Bush's stupidity is infectious...Tony Blair has definitely got it now. I think its safe to say that this law is going to be our "Patriot Act" which means we have no rights, the government can check all our records without our approval etc. I've just started buying a couple of books that arent exactly praising America and Britain...does that mean i'm going to be deported? The governments a joke...we need a socialist government but i dont know of a party with enough support to get rid of the New Labour morons.
2007 is going to be a very eventful year.
If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine. - Ernesto Che Guevara
A lie told often enough becomes the truth. - Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
In our age there is no such thing as 'keeping out of politics.' All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia. - George Orwell
If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever. - George Orwell
2007 will be very eventful, indeed.
Hope you don't get deported, heh.
I'm already being browsed by the DHS and maybe the FBI.
how do you know? surely they dont send a letter saying "eh by the way in case you didnt know, we're watching your ass!!"
If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine. - Ernesto Che Guevara
A lie told often enough becomes the truth. - Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
In our age there is no such thing as 'keeping out of politics.' All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia. - George Orwell
If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever. - George Orwell
To be honest, I don't think this will have any effect whatsoever on lefties in the UK. As someone else said, the law is designed for Muslim extremeists and lets face the facts, communists or anarchists are mostly ignored other than when it comes to large events such as the G8. I'm sure all you'll notice is a few wanker fundamentalist types leaving the country quietly before they get deported.
The law has already been applied to leftists. Another thread has prooved it. The apparantly socialist labour party died in 97' with new labour. The tories offer no resistance. The liberal democrats are more labour than labour. The rest of the parties make up less than 10% of the seats in the house of commons. These parties range from the BNP to the respect coalition.
The illusion of democracy we once had is now gone yet the nation still retains the insulting speeches of freedom and democracy. They are white lies from the lips of men who are not the moral characters many have voted for. They are oil barons, men who share alliegence with the Bush administration, men who see constructiive opposition (democracy) as a threat to the "free" world. Men who claim the middle east to be uncivilised. Men who share no characteristics of civilised men.
They will flee with their tails tucked under away from the onslaught of light and justice. The blades of truth will carve a new name for the British people. A name that will spread across the globe and give aid to our american and african counterparts. You are not alone in this struggle. Justice will destroy the oppression that once ruled your lives.
Slim. HRA. Sil Anmchadha
The BNP don't have a seat in the House of Commons, and the other 10% you speak of is made up of Plaid Cyrmu (sp?), the SNP and the Northern Irish Parties, Respect has one seat. I fail to see how this law has 'already been applied to leftists' as you say, as all you seem to have written is how New Labour took the party right eight years ago and a little soapbox speech....
It has already been applied to leftists. This is evident in the non publicisised arrests and raids of the homes of IWW members.
Could you point me in the direction of where you obtained this information please, I'd be interested to read it as I find raids on UK members of the IWW very hard to beleive. Especially since I received the IWW internal bulletin in the post today...
Oh shiad
It was in the states.lol. Sorry false alarm.
http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/ind...howtopic=39023
The point is that in the UK the political system has turned to the right wing. The polls in newspapers indicate that the people are in favour of more terror laws. How do we know these polls are genuine? Theyve never asked me. They might have gone for a target audience like those who lived through the control orders of the 1940's.
Democracy has ended.
Ah ok, no probs
I think you're being a little melodramatic though, the political system here isn't 'turning to the right' as the right as always played a large part in British political life in the last century. Just compare these new laws to Thatchers anti-union laws, she destroyed the union movement in this country and in the process lost many men their jobs. Laws like this have been flying around for years, they may be 'draconian' but they aren't anything new. These new laws will just shut a few religious nutters up, I doubt they'll have any effect on the activities of left wing activists, they aren't designed for that. As for the opinion polls, saying they aren't true is a little conspiracy theory-esque now, most people do want these new laws as they fear another terrorist attack, its as simple as that. 'Death of democracy' is over the top, this is hardly comparable to other major assaults of free speech that people have had to endure in the UK (and elsewhere) over the years.
10/10 for paying attention slim.
Economic Left/Right: -8.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.05
And unnatural, irrational, sinful, wicked, unjust, devilish and tyrannical it is, for any man whatsoever - spiritual or temporal, clergyman or layman - to appropriate and assume unto himself a power, authority and jurisdiction to rule, govern, or reign over any sort of men in the world without their free consent...
John Lilburne, 1647
I'm not anti-intellectual, I'm just not an intellectual.
Capitalism will eat itself.
Indeed my friend. The only way, it seems, to escape the subconcious mind-programming is to follow my philosophy and surround yourself with others who do the same. Unfortunately not everyone is able to overcome the values imposed upon them and therefore it is up to the enlightened ones to guide the masses in a suitable direction...
These types of draconian laws and shoot to kill have been used for decades in the six counties of the Irish north. Not news.Originally posted by Alexknucklehead@Aug 26 2005, 12:33 PM
Ah ok, no probs
I think you're being a little melodramatic though, the political system here isn't 'turning to the right' as the right as always played a large part in British political life in the last century. Just compare these new laws to Thatchers anti-union laws, she destroyed the union movement in this country and in the process lost many men their jobs. Laws like this have been flying around for years, they may be 'draconian' but they aren't anything new. These new laws will just shut a few religious nutters up, I doubt they'll have any effect on the activities of left wing activists, they aren't designed for that. As for the opinion polls, saying they aren't true is a little conspiracy theory-esque now, most people do want these new laws as they fear another terrorist attack, its as simple as that. 'Death of democracy' is over the top, this is hardly comparable to other major assaults of free speech that people have had to endure in the UK (and elsewhere) over the years.
It's true also it's more aimed at the Islamists than the left.
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The north is a different situation and the laws are different.
The fact that it may be aimed at "Islamists" does not mean we should just sit back and accept it. It will only be a matter of time before they turn on leftists. The fact is that they ARE attacking the PEOPLE. They may not be of our alliegience but they are still proletarian and victims of the bourgoise.
don't worry, I'm sure many of you commies from the UK will be in prison soon for supporting terrorism on the internet.
Toddle -o!
Since wen did we ever support terrorism?
By opposing the same people that people who are labelled terrorists, does that make us terrorists?
I suppose the Americans in world war two were soviet because they both fought nazi germany.
Actually, I would not be at all suprised to hear an accusation like that by neo-nazis...
