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What do you all think would be the general opinion?
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I think their popularity will be drastically lower than those in a communist society. As most people take drugs because of the hopelessness and the restrictiveness of capitalist society, in a communist society since everything is more open, there is no financial situation to worry about, and you can do whatever you want, the amount of drug users will fall bigtime.
That's too bad. As many drugs kick major ass.
If we are free under communism, we should be able to put whatever we want into our bodies. And why not?
We will still be punished if we hurt others, and rightfully so. But the loads of people put in jail for possession of illicit drugs... its downright tyranny!
Drugs, under communism, would be completely legal, and I would have no problem if everyone just sat down and smoked a joint.
There would be a lot less problems.
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While I agree with you, Clarsksist, I'm grappling with the problem of who would make them.
I strongly oppose recreational drug use. They are a poison and just another Capitalist tool to keep the workers down and out. How can anyone expect to make revolution why fucked out of their brains on drugs? The same goes for drinking, I don't oppose it to the same extent as drugs (like, I don't think alcohol should be illegal), but I think that the culture of drinking that exists in many countries should and would be destroyed under Communism.
In addition to this I think that drugs and other similar 'counter-culture' only distances yourself from the workers. How do you expect to earn the respect and trust of tens, hundreds, thousands of people if you're a junky? Or if you get stoned? Or if you're drunk all the time? Call me old fashioned and 'workerist' if you will, but I believe that drugs do nothing but serve as a barrier not only to revolution, but between us as revolutionaries and the workers who we are meant to be buildinga base within.
This said, I'd like to note that I have no problem with drugs that are illegal being used for medical purposes. Weed be allowed for pain relief, ecstacy for people with parkinsons (very strange, but it does help A LOT in some cases), synthetic heroin with people with severe pain and so on. I'd also like to note that I don't set out to demonise drugs, the lies spread about weed in the '50s are just as harmful as the growing acceptance of it these days.
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people who like to do drugs in their spare time. but! there is no money involved so they most likely wouldnt take shortcuts which could fuck people up even worse than the drug itself.
im sure all workplaces would have an anti-drug policy during work hours. and if no one follows then disciplinary action would follow.
And I stronly oppose sniffing glue ...for myself.
But I would certainly never try and enforce my personal moral preferences on others. And I would die before I'd let you do the same. You have no right to my body nor to tell me what I can or cannot put into it.
Education? Fine. Information? Excellent. But control? Never!
If the purpose of a revolution is to liberate, then it cannot enslave at so basic a level. Honestly, of what use is controlling one's own labour if one cannot control one's own body?
A "communist" society that oppresses at that fundamental a level has no right to call itself free.
Define "poison".
They are often used that way, yes, but the opposite is equally true.
Drug prohibition is a useful tool of the bourgeois to keep workers oppressed and victimized. For 50 years it's been an easy excuse to arrest "trouble makers" and to keep the poor down. If you want to inform people on the dangers of drug use, I think that's a wonderful idea, but giving more power to the capitalist state is never a good idea, and giving it the power over what you can and cannot consume is pure lunacy.
I don't know, but if they can, more power to them.
But we should certainly not trust the bourgeois state to do what's "best" for revolution!
Why not? Isn't alchohol as "poisonous" as any other recreational drug? Certainly it kills more people than any other.
Depends on the drug.
I think that uppers and downers would probably be used less. Certainly coke and heroine levels would drop. But I think we'd see a rise in hallucinogen and dissociative use as people begin to be able to explore themselves and their environment more.
With treatment available to everyone, far more people would kick serious addiction which, alone, would drop the use of "harder" drugs.
And, of course, the use of purely recreational/social drugs like alchohol, weed and probably Ecstasy would continue.
I'd love to change the world, but I don't know what to do, so I leave it up to you...
What you do with your body is your business. However, people should be allowed to make informed decisions - education and acurate information is of utmost importance in my mind.
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So that must be why so many wealthy rich kids use them =D To keep the worker down.
I happen to think that weed enhances my work occasionally. While I'm not always high during work, sometimes being high gives me an idea or two that I would not have considered.
Capitalism itself does not restrict drug. Capitalism does not legislate policy, the government does. The people responsible for drug prohibition in the US were government and state officials with their own agendas. The paper industry also lobbied for goverment protection from hemp producers. Using politics for business is not capitalism.
You know, Scars does bring up a good point. Personally, when I think about drugs, I think more of the party type situation, and just the kinda smoke a bowl and chill attitude. But, the reality is that there are addicts out there, and that would be a controversial subject, because, more then likely, the addicts would be interferring with the public interest by being inebriated on the job, and that could (and couldn't!create problems with their performance. I definitely agree that drugs in the workplace (especially with these short days I hear of!
I could see drugs as being a great unificator for a community, if done in the right way, and also a problem maker. Hmmm....this one's going to require more thought.
Most situations though, like LSD said, would probably depend alot on the drug thats being used. Does that mean that the drugs "acceptable" should be limited?
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addictive drugs like cocaine, heroin, or most other opium-based drugs could be kept illegal i suppose. but only dealing should be punished, addicts should be helped. after all, to slightly edit an infamous marx quote: "OPIUM IS THE OPIUM OF THE PEOPLE!"
but "soft" drugs, like hash and weed, should most definitely be legalized. but they should be distributed by the state, obviously. private dealers must be hunted like they always have been. capitalist bastards.
pot/hashish sould be leagalized I don`t know about hardcore drugs.
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I think drugs like Cocaine, Meth, Heroine, and other hardcore drugs should be outlawed.
But stuff like marijuana should be ok.
No!
Prohibition only victimizes users and creates black markets.
Do you really think that people will stop using cocaine because you tell them to? If you ban cocaine production and use in a communist society, people will find a way to make and get it anyways. Unfortunately, that will probably lead to the creation of an underground capital market.
The only way to have a functional communist society is to eliminate the desire to participate in capital exchanges. "Outlawing" substances is the worst thing you can do.
Not to mention that any communist society that has a hope in hell of lasting has to respect the basic right of its members to make their own decisions regarding themselves. If it doesn't trust them to ingest what they want, how can it trust them to control their own labour and society?
I'd love to change the world, but I don't know what to do, so I leave it up to you...
perhaps for things like cocaine special bars could be created to keep them off the street.
We are monopolists in the field of politics. We can't stand any competition. We can tolerate no rivals. The working class, to make the revolution can do it only through one party and one program. This is the lesson of the Russian Revolution. That is the lesson of all history since the October Revolution.” -James P. Cannon.
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