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    has anyone come across this idea / grouping before?

    Wikipedia tells me that National Bolshevism is "an ideology that attempts to combine elements of fascism and Stalinism. Influenced heavily by the idea of geopolitics, National Bolshevism seeks a merger between Russia and the rest of Europe in a union to be known as Eurasia....." (wiki)

    both amusing and concerning at the same time.
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    They're FUCKING strange. They're mainly neo-nazis that have pictures of Stalin occationally. Their leader/founder is a bloody nutter, fought with the Serbs in the Yugoslavian wars.
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    Useful idiots. They might serve well as cannon fodder in some sort of revolution.
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    Originally posted by Drake Dracoli@Aug 5 2005, 09:55 PM
    Useful idiots. They might serve well as cannon fodder in some sort of revolution.
    Yeah; maybe instead of Nazis trying to convert commies, we could get the nazbol idiots to hold the front line with the Nazis against the cappies... they wont be missed :P
    We could give them a monument: "In memory of the assholes that died fighting other oppressive assholes," Then again, that goes for a lot of wars...
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    How can they try to combine facism and "Stalinism" when they don&#39;t even claim to uphold Marxism?
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    They&#39;re morons. Plain and simple. Don&#39;t try to understand their logic - they don&#39;t have any.
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    Originally posted by Lenin i Stalin@Aug 6 2005, 10:02 AM
    How can they try to combine facism and "Stalinism" when they don&#39;t even claim to uphold Marxism?
    They&#39;ve removed the pretence. They "uphold" the basic tenets of Stalinism, namely; "Great Russian" Chauvinism, Imperialist lust, Slav inferiority complexes and a tendency towards authoritarianism.

    Stalinism lays the groundwork for these idiots.
    Since, according to their fantasy, the relationships of men, all their doings, their chains and their limitations are products of their consciousness, the Young Hegelians logically put to men the moral postulate of exchanging their present consciousness for human, critical or egoistic consciousness, and thus of removing their limitations. This demand to change consciousness amounts to a demand to interpret reality in another way, i.e. to recognise it by means of another interpretation. The Young-Hegelian ideologists, in spite of their allegedly "world-shattering" statements, are the staunchest conservatives.

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    Originally posted by Lenin i Stalin@Aug 6 2005, 04:02 AM
    How can they try to combine facism and "Stalinism" when they don&#39;t even claim to uphold Marxism?
    How can libertarians oppose "state rule" and support corporate rule? Because the ideology is a contradiction with arbitrary distinctions. The ideological justifications are simply irrational excuses for counterproductive agendas and social manipulation.
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    They are just plain idiots.

    Just look at their flag:


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    tell me what you see wrong with this

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    How can libertarians oppose "state rule" and support corporate rule? Because the ideology is a contradiction with arbitrary distinctions. The ideological justifications are simply irrational excuses for counterproductive agendas and social manipulation.
    Because state rule is concentrated power. Corporate rule does not concentrate power, it distributes it. The computer companies can&#39;t sell computers without processors. The processor manufacturers can&#39;t design chips without computers.
    Computers are worthless if they can&#39;t get power from the power companies. The power companies them selves use computers and processors as well. Mutually Assured Destruction and "greed" keeps these things running. There is no concentration of power.

    The state should provide a basic set of "rules of the game" that applies equally to everyone in the state. The rules of the game are decided democratically. Some rules are Establishing property rights, enforcing private and public contracts, establishing a basic set of freedoms, and punishing those who violate others&#39; freedom. This list is by no means comprehensive. A Libertarian is not an anarchist. They realize that government is an evil necessity.

    Having power concentrated in the state will only INCREASE "irrational excuses for counterproductive agendas and social manipulation".
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    Do we currently have any members who claim to National Bolsheviks or any who are believers in the ideology? Seeing a member defend himself or herself would be interesting. If I recall correctly from the past there was at least one member who was an NB, Thine Stalin but I think he was eventually banned.
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    I just posted an invitation on the NBP forum. Maybe someone will come and explain.
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    Originally posted by timbaly@Aug 9 2005, 10:19 PM
    Do we currently have any members who claim to National Bolsheviks or any who are believers in the ideology? Seeing a member defend himself or herself would be interesting. If I recall correctly from the past there was at least one member who was an NB, Thine Stalin but I think he was eventually banned.
    The guy who set up the American National Bolshevik Party use to post here I think.
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    Originally posted by Taiga@Aug 10 2005, 08:48 AM
    I just posted an invitation on the NBP forum. Maybe someone will come and explain.
    Well ... you know, they weren&#39;t happy to come and explain. Just said "Fuck off&#33; You called us plain idiots..." *tears*
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    tell me what you see wrong with this
    The website layout sucks and the girl looks like a prostitute.
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    What the FUCK is going on? Who is an idiot? Ты охренела, шалава?

    I&#39;m the member of National-Bolshevik Party. If you have questions, ask.

    About our leader. He is really a veteran of Serbian war. He rescueed slavic people from your fucking agressor NATO.
    About our programm. Our purpose is to destroy the system of liberalism and globalism in the world. Also we want to destroy the USA as the world tyrant. We shall glorify Great Russia and we shall correct the world. Russian Revolution will be soon. It will be the revolution of National-Bolsheviks. Kommunists had many opportunities to make Red revolution in Russia after 1991. But they did not. They can only speak on demonstrations, but nothing do. We will do it&#33; We all are soldiers, NBP have many branches in many countries all over the World. Be afraid, NBP will go for you&#33; Choose, NBP or death&#33;

    http://www.nbp-info.org/ - NBP Russia
    http://www.bolcheviques.org/ - NBP Spain
    http://www.canada.nazbol.org/ - NBP Canada
    http://www.freewebs.com/nationalbols...arty/index.htm - NBP USA
    http://www.nazbol.se/ - NBP Sweden
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    hey, if bolshevism is a form of socialism, wouldnt national bolshevism be a form of national socialism? i thought they said no nazi trash
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    Originally posted by Der Kampfer
    About our leader. He is really a veteran of Serbian war. He rescueed slavic people from your fucking agressor NATO.
    Just another war-profiteer and lunatic&#33;

    RESTRICT THIS ASSHOLE &#33;&#33;&#33;

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    National Bolshevik Party USA site.

    While National Bolshevism is an immature idea
    They said it, not me&#33;
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