Two Iranian teenagers executed for being gay

[Anarchist Freedom]

How horrible and wrong! :angry:

[Severian]

Originally posted by Clenched Fist+Jul 24 2005, 03:09 PM--> (Clenched Fist @ Jul 24 2005, 03:09 PM)Is this just ropoganda or is the reigieme really on the verge of collapse?[/b]

Propaganda, and probably not especially well-informed propaganda (i.e. probably an exile group without much activity inside the country), but I don't see where it says the regime is on the verge of collapse.

There is widespread dissatisfaction...reflected in the election, first of the "reformer" Khatami, now of the "populist" Ahmadinejad. And Iranian workers and peasants made 3 revolutions in the 20th century. But nobody can really know how long it'll be until the next revolution.

TragicClown

@Jul 24 2005, 10:22 PM
Supporting Iran against imperialism is like supporting the Nazis or Japanese empire against imperialism. There aren't many things worse then american imperialism but Iran is one of them.

Silly. The U.S.-supported shah killed a lot more people than the Islamic Republic has.

There's nothing "progressive" about the Iranian regime, contrary to what some have said. I solidarize with Iranian working people against the regime. And also against imperialist attacks on Iran, which are attacks on working people most of all.

[Led Zeppelin]

The U.S.-supported shah killed a lot more people than the Islamic Republic has.

Source?

[Severian]

Source? Read a little about the history of the 1979 revolution, and the crowds of protestors gunned down by the shah's cops and troops.

[YoUnG192]

You guys need to start getting the full story. These guys raped little kids. Here is the full story FULL STORY!!!!!

Capital punishment is wrong but if these fucks molested little boys whose lives are changed forever, I feel no sympathy what so ever.

[Camarada]

the story could've been made-up by the Iranian government for all you know. the previous reports of the execution did not mention a rape, until the newspaper Iran in Focus claimed they had raped a 13-year old.

but the 16-or 17year old and the 18-year old teens only admitted to having sex with each other...

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Stellix@Jul 25 2005, 05:12 AM
An other article I read said these two raped a child several years younger than themselves.

When you are 18 and 16 you may think you are brave and right, but the reality is that you are naive and scared and when faced with the imminent prospect of being hung you are easily manipulated by people who hold such violent power over you and who have experience in interrogation

The charges of whether they "rapped" someone else are most likely made up in an attempt to justify to an ever increasing moderate public that hanging two young boys was ok. Not that they themselves as State and executioners needed justification. They were doing gods work after all.

Incidents like this should not prevent leftists from supporting Iran as a beacon of anti-Yankee imperialism.

But the struggle against US Imperialism is a ruling class struggle. The working class, wether they had the murderours Mullah's in control, or an American Plutocracy would be no better off.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by YoUnG192@Jul 26 2005, 08:26 AM
You guys need to start getting the full story. These guys raped little kids. Here is the full story FULL STORY!!!!!

Capital punishment is wrong but if these fucks molested little boys whose lives are changed forever, I feel no sympathy what so ever.

They were accused of rape. That does not mean it happened.

Paedophilia and rape are the most famous accusations brought to bare on homosexuals in order to justify their persecution.

I don't see how the word "accused" can be interpreted as fact. They boys were not given a fair trial and were interrogated by fanatics who have a history of torture and fabricating charges against people.

[bur372]

probably all homesexual intercourse in iran is "rape" in the same way as "rape" is consexual sex between under 16 year olds in britain.

They also probably made up the charges.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Camarada@Jul 26 2005, 10:34 AM
the story could've been made-up by the Iranian government for all you know. the previous reports of the execution did not mention a rape, until the newspaper Iran in Focus claimed they had raped a 13-year old.

but the 16-or 17year old and the 18-year old teens only admitted to having sex with each other...

They didn't claim they rapped a boy, they claimed they had been accused of rapping a boy.

Doing something and being accused of doing something are two very different things, and as these boys weren't given a trial, it is pretty obvious that the accusations were complete bollocks.

[Led Zeppelin]

Source? Read a little about the history of the 1979 revolution, and the crowds of protestors gunned down by the shah's cops and troops.

I know about that, still doesn't prove your claim.

Give me figures, if you are unable too you probably made it up.

[Toussaint]

It's a fact the regime in Iran murders homosexuals in a legal way.

They always did it from the very beginning of the Islamic Republic. And the trial is often a mere caricature.

The iranian regime is a criminal one.

Nobody can say indeed if the Shah killed more or less people. I lived in Iran and took part in the revolution. I lived four years in a constant fear. The Shah's atrocities were terrifying.

But the islamic regime is not bad at all when it comes to repression. The difference is the mullahs were not in the situation the Shah faced in 1978, with a growing unrest and finally a mass insurrection. Then, he killed in some monthes tens of thousands of people. Heavy machine-gun fire in the crowds... It was a long and terrible massacre before he gave up.

But, not only was the Islamic Republic a very repressive regime, repressive in the public as well as in the private spheres, it had to fight a terrible war, hundreds of thousands of people died. The iranians have seen a lot of blood thes last 25 years...

[YoUnG192]

Everyone here says Iran is a criminal regime that executes homosexuals. Name one country where gays are accepted. No religion accepts homosexuality. If your gay down south in the United States like in rural areas of Georgia forget it you might as well be dead.

[Oglaigh na hEireann]

Name one country that accepts gays? Canada for one, it is legal in some provinces already. Also alot of European countries.




-Sean

[Redmau5]

Originally posted by YoUnG192@Jul 26 2005, 11:09 PM
Everyone here says Iran is a criminal regime that executes homosexuals. Name one country where gays are accepted. No religion accepts homosexuality. If your gay down south in the United States like in rural areas of Georgia forget it you might as well be dead.

Well at least gays have rights in most of the Western world. I know there is a hell of alot of discrimination, but i'd say being gay in the US would be a great deal easier than in Iran.

No religion accepts homosexuality

Which is why religion should be banned.

If your gay down south in the United States like in rural areas of Georgia forget it you might as well be dead.

Don't you think you're being a bit stereotypical?

[YoUnG192]

Don't you think you're being a bit stereotypical?

The religious right dominates rural places in the south. Do you actually believe there are open homosexuals in those far right christian communities. Wake up.

[Redmau5]

Im just not as quick to judge every southern person as you obviously are.

[YoUnG192]

Am I talking about all southern people? No. Learn how to read and don't try to put words in my mouth . I think we can all agree a homosexual will be much more comfortable in a big city like New York City than a small town in Alabama.

[Redmau5]

Originally posted by YoUnG192@Jul 27 2005, 01:03 AM
Am I talking about all southern people? No. Learn how to read and don't try to put words in my mouth . I think we can all agree a homosexual will be much more comfortable in a big city like New York City than a small town in Alabama.

I know how to read so don't fucking insult me. You assumed all rural places in the south were far-right Christian. I know the majority are, but have you been to them all. No. So don't judge people if you don't know.

[YoUnG192]

You assumed all rural places in the south were far-right Christian. I know the majority are

Thank You.