First World Revolution

[Le People]

Call me a crazy asshole, but I'll tell you how the revolution will happen. First off, screw the anarchist. They are a minority that does not matter. Now the rest of us, the Maoists, Marxists, Trotskyist, Leninists, and the others, and yes the Stalinists, will alley our sevles with the liberal parties's left wing. Then, we will work to win over the whole party paitenlty and with out force, unlike the republican's radical right, and work our way up the system. In the system, we will beat capitalism within an inch of it's life threw reform. Mean while, we will be building up a force of armed insurrection, educating the masses, and when the time is right, meaning reform has beat capitalism with in an inch of it's life, we over throw. Think of reform as tying capitalism up, placing duct tape on it's mouth, puting it in the trunk, driving it out to the desert, and the revoulotion as shooting it.

[CrazyModerate]

I believe it can't happen until a 100% laissez faire libertarian or other capitalist comes to power and living conditions drop for most people.

[black magick hustla]

Ahahahahahahaha

Stalinists are so brilliant!


I think that in order to radicalize first worlders, The "first world" needs first to collapse. That would probably happen after the enslaved third world countries would revolt and overthrow capitalism and the foreign market. After that, the first world will simply collapse, radicalizing first world workers.


Also, I don't worry that much about some kind of stlainist/maoist/leninist seizes the state. At the end, people will only realize the unavoidable truth about the corruption of the state, and overthrow it.

[Donnie]

Call me a crazy asshole, but I'll tell you how the revolution will happen. First off, screw the anarchist. They are a minority that does not matter. Now the rest of us, the Maoists, Marxists, Trotskyist, Leninists, and the others, and yes the Stalinists, will alley our sevles with the liberal parties's left wing. Then, we will work to win over the whole party paitenlty and with out force, unlike the republican's radical right, and work our way up the system. In the system, we will beat capitalism within an inch of it's life threw reform. Mean while, we will be building up a force of armed insurrection, educating the masses, and when the time is right, meaning reform has beat capitalism with in an inch of it's life, we over throw. Think of reform as tying capitalism up, placing duct tape on it's mouth, puting it in the trunk, driving it out to the desert, and the revoulotion as shooting it.

You really do not want to be doing that because we can make it highly difficult for you. You are definitely are a class enemy in my eye's. The anarchist view is one of class struggle so if you ignored us you would be ignoring parts of the working class. It’s as simple as that.

If you did take that view, what’s to stop us from using "Propaganda by the deed" on you :P .

Maoists, Marxists, Trotskyist, Leninists, and the others, and yes the Stalinists, will alley our sevles with the liberal parties's left wing.

I smell a reformist. I don&#39;t think it would take very long for a Stalinist or even a Leninist to not get noticed in a liberal party. <_<

Also once you got in power and you said "ahah I&#39;m in power now". You probably be instantly overthrown because you used no propaganda in you&#39;re way to power and so everyone would just see you as a nutter and overthrow you and most of the working class would see you as a class enemy, a power crazed nutter with a red hat on. :P

[Urban Rubble]

So......your plan is Democratic Socialism?

How revolutionary&#33;

I&#39;m not going to begin to explain what is wrong with your post.

[h&s]

First off, screw the anarchist. They are a minority that does not matter.

Well you got something right.... :P

Now the rest of us, the Maoists, Marxists, Trotskyist, Leninists, and the others, and yes the Stalinists,

People who oppose worker&#39;s direct control of society are not to be included....ever&#33;

In the system, we will beat capitalism within an inch of it&#39;s life threw reform

HOW???&#33;????

Think of reform as tying capitalism up, placing duct tape on it&#39;s mouth, puting it in the trunk, driving it out to the desert, and the revoulotion as shooting it.

How are you suupposed to do that whilst being inside it?

[Colombia]

Eh, at least the guy tried. Still though, Le People that is just not going to work at all.

[Le People]

Look, you don&#39;t under stand. In this world of globalization, the whole world is getting the finger by a group of rich cappies. Jobs continue to go to chinia, India, and the like, that lessens the buying power of the American and European consumers because nobody is buying any thing, so the whole market is going to emploed since their is no money being transfered between any class. This will cause a short devied between the haves and have nots. You follow? So while capitalism is going to hell in a hand basket, we will attempt to strength the proletarian for the crash, educating them, strengthing unions, and screwing the fat cats every step of the way by nationalizing various markets. We have to concide, we are an unheard minority, to gain a voice, we must patiently convince the liberal parties to transplant their lungs to us. Advertise ourselves as populists, thats what we are. When the market crashes, convinceing the masses to revolt is like breathing, they need no coaxing to do it. Anarchist still have to fuck off, they have no room in the state if they don&#39;t support it.

[h&s]

I understand what you are saying, but there is no need to become part of capitalism to overthrow it. People will see what is wrong with capitalism in their own time, by developing a true class consciousness.
Overthrowing capitalism through populaim means that the working class does not have the consciousness it needs to rule society during socialism - they will fail.
You also have the problem with actually being allowed to remain in the liberal parties you talk about - we would be kicked out as soon as we surfaced, we could never get to the top.

[Anarchist Freedom]

First off, screw the anarchist. They are a minority that does not matter

You know thats a pretty bold statement to make.

[which doctor]

I&#39;m not a big fan of anarchists either. Without order chaos will happen. Crime will run rampant in the streets. People will shoot whoever they want. The rich will still be able to get richer and the poor will go ignored.

[Colombia]

I don&#39;t like anarchists much myself Blood but I&#39;ll tell you right now that the way you think anarchism works is pretty much wrong on all counts.

[Ownthink]

Call me a crazy asshole

screw the anarchist. They are a minority that does not matter.

Crazy asshole.

Since when is totally disacknowledging minorites Communist?

I&#39;m not a big fan of anarchists either. Without order chaos will happen. Crime will run rampant in the streets. People will shoot whoever they want. The rich will still be able to get richer and the poor will go ignored.

You must not be a big fan of knowledge either, because that isn&#39;t what Anarachism is/advocates at all. Go educate yourself, there is plenty of information and knowledge on this board to do so.


Onward Communism.

[violencia.Proletariat]

Originally posted by Fist of Blood@Jul 19 2005, 01:32 PM
I&#39;m not a big fan of anarchists either. Without order chaos will happen. Crime will run rampant in the streets. People will shoot whoever they want. The rich will still be able to get richer and the poor will go ignored.

wow, your not to bright eh? there is organization in anarchism for one, secondly most anarchists want communism just as you do(im not sure if your for communism, but im guessing so), therfore your speaking against what you belive in.

[MoscowFarewell]

Anarchist and Communist are in a similar boat, they aren&#39;t really the minority. I see the anarchy sign in the world through graffit and art, way more than I see the hammer and sickle, not to mention there is always some lil punk screaming it in the halls. The rise of the left in a first world would have to start, is when capitalism is shown going to shit. Crash of the stock market, high unemployment, basically another heavy set depression in the current age all through capitalism. You hit it before the recovery occures. This is what I learn in marketing class.

[Clarksist]

Originally posted by Fist of Blood@Jul 19 2005, 05:32 PM
I&#39;m not a big fan of anarchists either. Without order chaos will happen. Crime will run rampant in the streets. People will shoot whoever they want. The rich will still be able to get richer and the poor will go ignored.

Do you even know what anarchy is?

Do you even know what anarchists societies look like?

Oddly enough, they look like COMMUNIST societies.

[More Fire for the People]

Call me a crazy asshole, but I&#39;ll tell you how the revolution will happen.

O&#39; Really now?

First off, screw the anarchist. They are a minority that does not matter.

I think the Spanish and Ukranians would think very differently.

Now the rest of us, the Maoists, Marxists, Trotskyist, Leninists, and the others, and yes the Stalinists, will alley our sevles with the liberal parties&#39;s left wing.

You have forgotten the council communist.
We (Marxists) do not alley ourselves with liberal parties, as they are part of the class system.

Then, we will work to win over the whole party paitenlty and with out force, unlike the republican&#39;s radical right, and work our way up the system.

And how do you propose to do this? By winning them with charm?
I doubt the bureaucrats will want to voluntarily want to hands to the proletarian, seeing as when it comes to bourgeoisie democracy they are more powerful and better resources.

In the system, we will beat capitalism within an inch of it&#39;s life threw reform. Mean while, we will be building up a force of armed insurrection, educating the masses, and when the time is right, meaning reform has beat capitalism with in an inch of it&#39;s life, we over throw. Think of reform as tying capitalism up, placing duct tape on it&#39;s mouth, puting it in the trunk, driving it out to the desert, and the revoulotion as shooting it

Why not let the state fire the shot that eliminates the bourgeoisie state?
Surely if only the proletarian are in power, they can murder the bourgeoisie state easily. Unless they have become corrupted.
In which case they will fight off the proletarian revolution in the name of "peaceful socialism".

[Paradox]

Now the rest of us, the Maoists, Marxists, Trotskyist, Leninists, and the others, and yes the Stalinists, will alley our sevles with the liberal parties&#39;s left wing.

What exactly are you trying to build here? Because there&#39;s no way it&#39;s Communism.

Then, we will work to win over the whole party paitenlty and with out force, unlike the republican&#39;s radical right, and work our way up the system.

What are you going to do? Lie your way to the top? If you&#39;re openly Communist (which practically no one would take seriously because you&#39;re working with the system) you won&#39;t be able to accomplish a damn thing. Do you really believe that you&#39;ll be able to work with the "liberals," and bring about Communism by "winning over the whole party?"

Your proposals are laughable. Not to say reformists can&#39;t prove useful in some ways. But they do not work with "liberals." The developments in Venezuela being an example of movement in the right direction. They&#39;re standing up to imperialism, and reforming the system to benefit the disadvantaged who make up the vast majority of the population, and helping to industrialize the nation. But they are still reformist. Through their work, the country will come closer to the point where it is prepared for a real Communist revolution. But that&#39;s pretty much just in Third World nations. In "First World" nations, such as the united states, the chances of accomplishing Communism through the system, and working with the "liberals" is rather ridiculous.

[Organic Revolution]

im not even gonna bother answering that ridiculous statement.

[novemba]

....aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha