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    Ok, On the 29th of November two Israeli citizens who have refused to be conspricted into the Army to serve in the Occuppied territories are speaking in London. One is a 16 year old school girl who has 250 other young Israelies in letter declaring their refusal to serve, while is an older man from the Courage to Refuse campaign, wh o has refused army duty. In israel a failure to be conscripted is treated very seriously and a number of teenagers have, in the past two years been sent to military prisons for their refusa to be consripted into a murderous and humiliating occupying force.

    [b]The meeting is at Hargrave Hall on Hargrave road (2 mins from archway tube station) at 7:00 PM on the 29th of November. Entrance is free. THis meeting is a great opportunity to hear from people you dont usually get the chance to hear from.
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    the url for the officer's letter is this: http://www.seruv.org.il/defaulteng.asp

    the url for the student's letter is this:
    http://www.shministim.org/english_letter.html

    all the people who have signed these letters claim that refusal is true zionism. just a note for all of you who claim that zionism is fascism.

    reuben, do you happen to know the names of these two people?
    Do you remember November 4th?
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    the speaker from Shiministim is called Tal Matalon
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    wish i could go, realistically i'm not gonna be able to get down to london
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    I'd like to go.

    Rueben what pacific time would that be and what day is the 29th?

    Get back to you sooner to the 29th I guess, thanks Comrade.
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    The World Revolution is ongoing history. Even if you win the war, which I don’t think you will, the World Revolution will not and cannot be stooped by military means, Your very powerful army can do much harm to us, can kill many of our people - but it cannot kill ideas! Its movement might seem dormant to you at the moment, but it s there and will come to the fore again out of the awakening of the poor, the downtrodden orginary people the world over in Africa, the Americas, in Asia and Europe too. People in their masses will one day understand that it is the power of capital over them which not only oppresses and robs them, but stifles their human potential, which either uses or discards them as mere pawns to make monetary profit out of the,. Once the people grasp that idea, it will mature into an almost material force in popular uprisings like spreading wildfires and will do what has to be done in the name of humanity. It will not be Russia who will do it for them, although the Russian working people were the first who have borken the chains. The people of the will do it for themselves in their own countries, against their own oppressors, in their own ways and in their own time!’

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    Whoops ofcourse it's 7.00pm, what time would it end though since I don't wan't to be stuck in London all night?
    'What is 11 million dollars compared to the love of 11 million Cubans' Felix Savon

    ''That morning, my father took my hand and we went out. I saw how upset all the Algerians looked and how the French were rejoicing. I asked my father what had happened. He gravely replied: 'Stalin is dead...' I asked who Stalin was. My father said: 'He was the greatest man of our time. He was the leader of the Soviet Union, the greatest revolutionary country. Stalin was the son of a cobbler.' And I thought the son of a cobbler, someone like me...' Algerian Revolutionary in fight against French Imperialism.

    The World Revolution is ongoing history. Even if you win the war, which I don’t think you will, the World Revolution will not and cannot be stooped by military means, Your very powerful army can do much harm to us, can kill many of our people - but it cannot kill ideas! Its movement might seem dormant to you at the moment, but it s there and will come to the fore again out of the awakening of the poor, the downtrodden orginary people the world over in Africa, the Americas, in Asia and Europe too. People in their masses will one day understand that it is the power of capital over them which not only oppresses and robs them, but stifles their human potential, which either uses or discards them as mere pawns to make monetary profit out of the,. Once the people grasp that idea, it will mature into an almost material force in popular uprisings like spreading wildfires and will do what has to be done in the name of humanity. It will not be Russia who will do it for them, although the Russian working people were the first who have borken the chains. The people of the will do it for themselves in their own countries, against their own oppressors, in their own ways and in their own time!’

    A 'Stalinist Beuracrate' to his Fascist Guards in Nazi Camp.

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