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You guys are jus rejecting a Marxist revision movement that failed so horribly that anything now deemed to be "oppressive" is given that label. But just what is a Fascist to you guys? A composite mix of ad hominems such as "racist", "sexist", "oppressive", and "tyranical"?
You know there is more to Fascist doctrine that just the simple characteristics of it being misrepresented as "right wing".
Why dont you guys just say "oppresive" "capitalist" instead of Fascist? Because from reading the works of Giovanni Gentile, Sergio Panunzio, and George Sorel, Fascism was just an offshoot of syndicalism and labor union control.
Fascism: Authoritarianism. Telling people how to live their lives. Sure it comes in degrees, but anything that restricts people is considered fascist to me, to some extent. Not saying that most laws aren't bad, some are necessary and do some semblance of good - but they still restrict.
As for Capitalism and Oppression, yeah, that's fascist to me too. It restricts, it controls, it's authority.
JudeObscure84, nearly all of the threads you post in revolve around dicussions of fascism, the only one i can think of that you created that was overtly about fascism was a topic attacking black nationalism (and pushing white nationalism)- why do you have such an obsession with this topic?
fascism is where everybody BELIEVES in what the leader is doing and follows it by choice. there is a difference between a dictatorship and a fascism. in a dictatorship the leader does whatever they want without caring if the people agree or not. under a fascism the leader does whatever they want but the people believe in it to help the "cause" in which it is run by.
as far as I know the word fascism derives from the latin word fasces, which were some kind of batons which bodyguards of the senators used to hit people who came too near. they could decide wheter they wanted to chop them down with their axes or just to hit them with these batons.
so one could say that fascism refers to any kind of oppression or this kind of "do what I tell you to do" arguments. Its a broad term which can be used for nationalistic arseholes, for religious dogmatists or capitalism in general. I guess one could also use that term for all these authorityloving stalinists.
Zampanò:
"Marx never said anything like that about capitalism ever. Could you please point us to where he said such great things about capitalism?"
Capcomm:
"Well can you show me where he has not?"
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No it isn't. It's where everyone has no choice but to believe in the opinions of their leaders.
Read a history book!
Very little.
The philosophical side of Fascism is an ideology which upholds the state as a paradox of a god. That it creates, maintains and determines life. That it has a "divine" right over it's subjects and that the will of the state is the predetermined path that all subjects must follow if they wish to create a meaningful life..Meaningful being the creation of a strong and powerful nation.
The social definition of fascism is usually extremly conservative with emphasis on the family. Homosexuality is often deemed as antithetical to the strong and disciplined individuals that the state should create. The individual is subjugated to the state and their actions are determined by the state. They cannot have any choice about those actions because every individual must be subject to the rule of the state. Fascist society is extremly militaristic and geared towards war. Fascism believes in natural selection and that the strongest will and must always win over the weak and that this is demonstrated through war.
Politically it is a hierarchical system based on discipline and order through violence. Everyone has their place and if anyone steps out of that place it is the duty of the superior to correct that mistake. There is one ruler who controls a one party government. All opposition is oppressed because it is seen as unnecessary and problematic.
Economically fascism means to maintain capitalism thorugh a system called state corpratism.
It is a vile ideology and one which should be fought against at all costs.
To understand your enemy, you should read:
The Doctrine of Fascism - Benito Mussolini
Well from what I've herd Fascism compromises of these concepts:
*Leadership and Elitism
*Pan-Nationalism(Aka Pan-Germanism or Pan-Slavism)/Expationist Nationalism
*Totalitarianism
*Peasent Ideology (In the case of Nazism)
Thats from what I've read in books.
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<span style=\'color:red\'>Rise like lions after slumber,
In unvanquishable number,
Shake your chains</span><span style=\'color:black\'> to earth like dew,</span>
<span style=\'color:red\'>Which in</span> <span style=\'color:black\'>sleep had fallen on you,</span>
<span style=\'color:red\'>Ye</span> <span style=\'color:black\'>are many- they are few</span>
- <span style=\'color:red\'>Percy Shelley</span>
<span style=\'color:black\'>For Libertarian</span><span style=\'color:red\'> Communism</span>
or maybe its derived from the latin word "fesces"...as in shit
Fascism originated as an axe, the axe was a symbol of authority thats why the BUF (British Union of Fascists) use it as their symbol.
Anarchist Federation
<span style=\'color:red\'>IAF - IFA</span>
<span style=\'color:red\'>Rise like lions after slumber,
In unvanquishable number,
Shake your chains</span><span style=\'color:black\'> to earth like dew,</span>
<span style=\'color:red\'>Which in</span> <span style=\'color:black\'>sleep had fallen on you,</span>
<span style=\'color:red\'>Ye</span> <span style=\'color:black\'>are many- they are few</span>
- <span style=\'color:red\'>Percy Shelley</span>
<span style=\'color:black\'>For Libertarian</span><span style=\'color:red\'> Communism</span>
closed minded, greedy and power hungry.
i never met a fascist who wasn't all three of those things.
Italian fascism under mussilini was signified by the axe as well. Fascism to me is feirce nationalism that leads to racial bigotry, hate, and violence against the people for beliefs, ideas, or life styles. I.E. the move by Bush to completely ban gay marriage makes him a fascist in my book, this is just one of many examples I can think of for Mr Dubya Bush.
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If a democracy is where the people tell the government what to do then a facism is just the opposite. Some one is in charge and then it works down the chain of command to everyone. Or just extreme hierarchy in general really in my eyes. For instance like Noam Chomsky I would almost concider corporations to be facist.
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NSA=Thought Police.(1984)
The actual marxist definition of fascism is a plebian movement which originates from the middle classes and their reaction to the two twin wheels of capitalism, the working class and the capitalist class. In the imperialist epoch they are ground between these two mighty forces, unable to pursue their own independent class policy (not socialised enough to fight for socialism, too poor to be the ruling class) and sections of them can turn towards an ideology that promises them the world. As Hitler says 'it makes the little man feel like a dragon.'
Using quasi socialist language and political practises (marches, rallies and so on) it mobilises the middle classes, sections of backward workers not unionised and the lumpenproleteriat (criminals, unemployed and so on) into 'combat detachments' that impose their will by force on the streets.
Fascism is an instrument of civil war against the working class, it seeks to break it in two, organising its most backward and reactionary elements into a mass social movement that is used to smash proleterian organisations and any form of workers democracy or progressive gain in society. It takes capitalist ideology as its basis, the family, nationalism, patriotism and so on, appealing to the most right wing elements of bourgoise society.
Fascism is used by the ruling class to impose its will in times of great economic and scoial crisis. When the workers movement gets too strong to be contained by the normal forces (the state) the capitalists begint o fund and arm the fascist movement, boot boy thugs who 'do the dirty work' the police can't do. The reason why there is no strong fascist movement in the states is because the workers movement is so small and non threatening and the state is so strong there is no need of one.
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Fascism is the open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic and most imperialist elements of finance capital.
Fascism to me is based on classical example:
•exalts the nation, (and in some cases the race, culture, or religion) above the individual, with the state apparatus being supreme.
•stresses loyalty to a single leader.
•uses violence and modern techniques of propaganda and censorship to forcibly suppress political opposition.
•engages in severe economic and social regimentation.
•engages in syndicalist corporatism.
•implements totalitarian systems.
•uses a mass movement to attack or absorb the organizations of the working class: parties of the left and trade unions.
...raise your fist...refuse, resist!
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Fascism is an government that imposes authoritarianism as far as citizens public life is concerned while allowing their private life to remain mainly free. a Fascist country also sets up a Corporate state. Generally strong Naturalism is supported in a Fascist society.
I'm not sure if that's a joke or if you're serious...so I'll just assume it's a joke and laugh.
The BUF uses what is called the Flash and Circle, not an axe.
The name Fascism comes from the Roman Fasces which was a bundle of birch rods bound together. The fact that these rods were stronger when together symbolized the strength people have when they come together. As I recal, the Axe was to show the authority and strength of a single leader.
Fascism is more Socialist than anything.
Also, I think you misunderstand the Corporate State.
The Corporate state makes trade unions work DIRECTLY with the government, via a representative that the people of that line of work have voted in.
There is no need for strikes in this system because things are handled immediately.
Unfair working conditions? The case is brought up immediately, and dealt with.
The idea of the Corporate State is amazing.
Word History: It is fitting that the name of an authoritarian political movement like Fascism, founded in 1919 by Benito Mussolini, should come from the name of a symbol of authority. The Italian name of the movement, fascismo, is derived from fascio, “bundle, (political) group,” but also refers to the movement's emblem, the fasces, a bundle of rods bound around a projecting axe-head that was carried before an ancient Roman magistrate by an attendant as a symbol of authority and power. The name of Mussolini's group of revolutionaries was soon used for similar nationalistic movements in other countries that sought to gain power through violence and ruthlessness, such as National Socialism.
-dictionary.com
I define Fascists as people who support Facism as an ideology. Most people called Fascists by the left aren't, they're just far-right, or nationalists. Mussolini was Fascist, Milosovich was not.
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