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There are always intellectuals in a revolution. Are they a different class? There are few outstanding individuals that are skilled workers and intellectuals. On the whole intellectuals just write, talk, and intellectualize. Are these people anti-revolutionaries? It is not like they are producing anything except more talk.
Depends on how you define class doesn't it.
But they are no more anti-revolutionary then any other person. They do often talk a lot; often they have no real world experience with what they are talking about either.
This is like asking are shop assistances a separate class. They do not do anything productive, they simple wander around shops helping and hindering people trying to buy stuff.
If you see the last post in "Organ donation", it sounds like these intellecutals are prime candidates for people who should go live in the woods and not take part in any benefits from the collective, since they are pretty much useless.
they only become a different class after a bolshevik revolution...
then we call them bureaucrats
interlectuals are by no means anti-revolutionaries. Think about it, Marx was an interlectual, Lenin was one as was Trotsky.
interlectuals simply play different roles within a revolution i.e. taking a greater role in planning etc.
Knowledge remains the most powerful weapon, never make an enemy of it.
They could belong to a sub class. But I don't think they would make up a whole big class because of their small size, diverse and different ideas and social status.
Social class is where you stand in relation of the means of production; not your intellectual rank. Intellectuals could be either from the proletariat or the burgeoisie then.
Under traditional Marxist theory, they do form a class, called the "intelligentsia."
Marxists.org is generally the best place to go to find information on Marxist terminology. However, there is regrettably no information on this particular term on that site, but Wikipedia has a pretty good description.
"to become a philosopher, start by walking very slowly"
Hmm interesting, what works has Marx wrote about this in? I would like to read it.
While most intellectuals come from the middle class, they can come form a vary of classess. For instance many of the leaders of the USSR came from pesant families, like Stalin.
The spiritual atom bomb which the revolutionary people possess is a far more powerful and useful weapon than the physical atom bomb. - Lin Biao
Our code of morals is our revolution. What saves our revolution, what helps our revolution, what protects our revolution is right, is very right and very honourable and very noble and very beautiful, because our revolution means justice
- Dr. George Habash, founder of the PFLP.
umm... Intelligentsia is the Russian term for intellectuals. I dont think Marx wrote anything about this. But Lenin's vanguardism is closely associated with the idea of intellegentsia.
Lenin believed that workers themselves lacked the knowledge required to organize and start a revolution. So in order to launch a successful revolution, the intelligentsias, usually from the bourgeoisie class, need to help workers to develop the revolutionary conscience and organize the revolution, so on and so forth.
Do not say that we have nothing,
We shall be masters of all under heaven!
Interesting responses. If intellecutals are a different class, then what happened to a classless society?
Hiero no offense but i'm not sure if u can call a guy who thought Holland and Netherlands are different countries a intellectual...
Do not say that we have nothing,
We shall be masters of all under heaven!
hey im not a vanguardist. But realisticly speaking, in the past most intellectuals came from the Bourgeoisie class.
Do not say that we have nothing,
We shall be masters of all under heaven!
Obviously we'll all be intellectuals.
Do you really believe that? How about stupid people? Are you saying they simply will not exist? Common, you and I both know intelligence is wide and varried. Some people simply don't 'get it' or are just barely smarter than a chimp.
Oh yea, your conclusion is sooooo obvious. It is just so obvious that stupid people should get it too.
Is everyone really going to be an intellectual? Then who is going to do the manual labor?
Stupid people such as myself can become intellectuals with some assistance from resourceful publications. I dont see the problem with everyone becoming less of a brute.
My English teacher mixed cement for seven years, yet he is one of the most intelligent guy I've ever seen.
Under socialism, workers do not need to slave away their whole life just to feed their children. Consequently they will have the time to educate themselves. Also as machinaries become more developed manual labor would become less labor-intensive.
However in a capitalist society the machinary does not liberate the workforce from factories.
People would still work overtime everyday to keep up with competition.
If a worker does not work extra hard, his living standard would not increase because of his "laziness". On the other hand, if he does indeed extra hard, he has no private time to enjoy life and thus his living standard would still be considered low.
Do not say that we have nothing,
We shall be masters of all under heaven!
Yeah, that's why I said "Marxist theory." The term "intelligentsia" has been in use by historical materialists ever since it was coined in the 19th century by that Polish fellow.
"to become a philosopher, start by walking very slowly"
I don't understand.
Have you done any studies regarding labor efficiency and tooling in the USA or free markets?
Overtime is 1.5X regular wage. Why would a capitalist want to pay overtime? Why not hire more workers and pay them 1X the wage?
That is still not a classless society. Is that trouble?
